Without any red herrings or wild theories about your opposition's motives. Just why you think abortion should be allowed and remain legal, or why you think it should not be allowed.
Because abortion takes away a human life, even in biology class or health class they teach that a fetus/embryo, even a zygote, is HUMAN LIFE. Sperm and egg cells are merely potential human life, genetic material, that's technically alive, but not an organism. Sperm and egg cells are not living beings, they're not organisms. You don't need religion, the bible, chrisianity, or even a belief in God, to realize than a fetus, embryo, or even a zygote for that matter, is a living human organism, and that justifying abortion is just trying to rationalize taking human life. Many societies and cultures dehumanized human life-from the Holocaust in the 1940s, from slavery hundreds of years ago during america, and denied them the same rights and treatment that any other human being God. Justfying abortion is just as evil as justifying slavery or the Holocaust. The pro choice view is the same concept-using X reason or Y reason to argue that certain humans are subhuman. Even before I believed in God, I was pro life.
The golden rule. If someone tried to control my decisions by outlawing a choice I could make, I would not appreciate it. I get that other people see the fetus's life as more valuable then the adult's choice, but it is a belief based in religion. Whenever this issue is discussed the freedom of choice always gets brought up, one side will argue for the freedom of choice for the mother, and the other the fetus. The freedom of choice issue for me comes down to my freedom not to believe as you do, and therefor not have your moral judgements, and private beliefs have bearing on my life. That is liberty, and why the right to choose is on the side of liberty!
Since you are all for choice...then you do support late term abortion and the womans choice to decide then, right? Or do you want to deny a woman the right to her body and to decide based on your morality? - - - Updated - - - Good luck whaler...trying to pin them down...watch them run.
I believe both the women and the unborn should have rights. Up until say 20-22 weeks the women can abort for any reason, after that that unborn has developed enough, is past the major risk stages and should gain some rights. Abortion after that point in time must be due to health risks determined by a doctor. Unplanned pregnancy can ruin a girl/ womens life, she could be totally ill equipped financially or mentally to bring a child into the world, they simply must be allowed the choice to abort up to a certain point.
A world without millions of unwanted babies is a world with much less poverty and potential criminals . Of course if you want to pay in order to rise those children in a public institution - like an orphanage- this is none of my business.
Everyone's choices are controlled. For instance, my choice to kill someone I don't like would be an illegal one. But, thanks for posting.
This is where the whole "its not a child or a human being" and "choice this or that" arguments fall apart. If it is all about choice and there is only one human being involved, then late term abortions should be accepted and no big deal. If there are two human lives involved and it is a matter of weighing the rights of one against the rights of another, then the most defenseless should be given preference which would be the fetus. They try to split the difference with their thresholds, but all of the arguments in support of that fail on logical grounds.
And a world without secular humanists would be a lot better world. And while I am thinking about it...a world without Obama supporters would just be the best world possible. No wait...a world without pro-abortion supporters.....that would be bomb.
So basically you want to take the womans right to choose to her body away? You would be enslaving her to your morality..am I right?
She would have 20-22 weeks to decide what is right and wrong for her body, at some point the rapidly developing baby should have some rights to life. Who decides any morality? Generally in law its a consensus of the people, and even then its constantly challenged. You believe its moral to kill a developing human life others dont. Basically its called compromise, we use it in Australia and abortion is almost never spoken, its a completely non issue politically. But hey if you guys want it ALL or Nothing, keep battling it out.
Why do you get to decide what a woman does with her body based on what your morality tells you? Who decided that 20-22 weeks is the cut off? Many different pro-aborts here have given different times? And if you want abortion to be legal....and then take that right away....you enslave her to your morality. You are anti-choice. So basically it should be whatever the pro-abort wants...based on their view of morality? yes or no? Who decided the cut off date your provide?
Im not saying its up to me am i? Im giving my opinion and stating my position asked. I think both sides make good points so i favor compromise and state what has worked well for us. None of the women i know have any issue with it what so ever, including my wife. But on morality whos say we cant kill anyone we want? Humans have killed since day dot and there were no laws, someone imposed their morality didnt they?
Sure it is. You are making it about YOU. You are telling a woman who owns her body that she only has a certain time to decide when she can abort. It's about your timeline based on your morality and views as to when the life is worth something. Sure you are sharing your position and stance..but it is a hypocritical one because you deny woman the rights to their bodies. What if they don't agree with your timeline when an unborn becomes viable. And what if they don't care? Is it your right to tell them differently? About killing other people.....I am sure many moral relativists believe this. They make their own rules up...so anything can go.
I didnt come up with the 20-22 weeks or make the law here, so NO it isnt about me. Im usually about compromise where possible, but we can see why the US and to be fair many countries in the West the political landscape has become deadlocked. Theres clearly no place for compromise over ideology today. Tbh i couldnt care less go ahead and kill your babies no skin off my nose, your the one that has to live with the decision of killing late term babies. Actually i more than happy with the 'dont impose your morals on me stand point'. I assume your pro guns (no restrictions), legalize drugs and keeping govt out of your pay check?
You see how Mutmekep doesn't even try to argue that a fetus isn't a person. He argues with a pro lifer (his arguement still assumes that a fetus is a person), that abortion is OK because the babies are unwanted. Isn't that exactly how the Nazis justified the Holocaust? The abortion-Holocaust parallels exist. - - - Updated - - - People don't have the right to do whatever they want with their own bodies, if what they do with their bodies harms another person. That "bodily rights" arguement could justify almost anything. Therefore, that arguement is an invalid arguement.
Fine...with details, explain exactly how you would prevent a woman from obtaining or self-inducing an abortion and prosecute her or any accomplice.
I am pro choice. I realize that different people have different ideas on what is moral and what is not. I try not force my sense of morality on others while at the same time expecting that in return. I am also anti death penalty. I do however own a shotgun for home defense and would have no qualms in using it. Some of those views are consistent and some are not... and I am okay with that.
Legal on demand up thru the 2nd trimester. 3rd trimester only if the mother's wellbeing (physical or mental) are at risk, as determined by a physician. Kinda what we have now, which I think works well, as it does in other countries, too.
Ah, but the reason you view abortion as murder is based in religion. The laws against murder do not need a religious justification.
You are sadly mistaken. I base my beleif that abortion is murder on plain common sense and science. If a fetus is ever a person, then a fetus is always a person. That is common sense. And we all know a fetus is actually a person. Btw do you know what the federal law The Unborn Victims of Violence Act considers child in utero to be while in any stage of development?
That simply isn't required to make a wrongful act illegal. There are scores of unsolved murders out there, should we just legalize murder as a result? - - - Updated - - - So what is your SUPPORT for this?
