Police: 8 dead in shooting at FedEx facility in Indianapolis

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Government.
     
  2. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    I don't want to know who.

    I want to know WHY ?
     
  3. Darth Gravus

    Darth Gravus Banned

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    Is this one of those spoof post? There are more guns in America than there are people. Anyone that wants a gun can get a gun.
     
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    I don't understand this question. A shooter that ends his/her mass shooting by committing suicide has removed the gallows step.
     
  5. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    No, the topic you jumped into was 'you' using your pistols to uprise against a tyrannical US government with their fighter jets and cruise missiles.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Has it never occurred to you that there just aren't that many people IN your rural areas?

    And people who keep guns aren't that likely to answer surveys honestly particularly if the legality of the weapon may be questionable and/or it may make them a target for thieves.

    I think you underestimate thieves if you think they won't steal guns or will avoid your house out of fear if you have them. Most thieves won't victimize you if you are there and those who will are not afraid of your gun anyway. (They probably should be but overt crime isn't a field you go into if you're that intelligent)
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Who were both being supplied, trained, and outfitted by one of Earth's Great Powers.

    The only way America won the ARW was by allying with the French and becoming a proxy war in their ongoing struggle with the British. Indeed, we were the Vietnam that bankrupted France to bring about the end of the French Monarchy
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Do you honestly think that most everyone in the country is going to put their lives and their families on the line so you can keep your silly-ass rifle collection?

    By the time it gets to the point where a rifle is needed the USA is done anyway
     
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    In 2019 in America a quick google search reveals there were 16,425 murders in America (not all with guns). In the UK, about 3.5 times smaller than the USA with a largely unarmed (with guns) police force there were 809. No death penalty either.
    America has a 20 times higher murder rate.
    Why do you think that is?
    I think it is a combination of the availability of guns, and something about the American mindset.
    Hard though it may be for some to swallow, Biden is right when he talks about national embarrassment.
     
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    I support stronger background checks and maybe (strong maybe) liability insurance. I do think we should offer some type of training on safe use and storage but other than that. Smart weapons do look interesting though but only for handguns.

    If you are scared of people like me I would hate to see how you feel about people that actually want to ban weapons.

    The right to own an “arm” isn’t absolute, look at felons, the huge numbers of “arms” that are completely unavailable to the general public and the number of places where they cannot be carried (ie airport, political rallies, schools, government facilities).
     
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  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    So you weren't trying to say how we should try to deter mass shootings?
     
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    Actually, someone else made a suggestion and I responded that I could get behind such a plan.

    A mass shooter executed at the gallows or killing himself/herself after a shooting spree would both serve to deter others.

    Do you have any ideas on how to deter such destructive actions?
     
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    The only people carrying firearms are at the front gate and/or a few MP's. And that's maybe.

    You ever been on a military base?

    You thinkbelieve everyone is walking around with a rifle on their shoulder or a .45 or 9mm strapped to their hip?
     
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    Finding ways to actually help those with mental illness instead of just smothering them with medications and ignoring them.
     
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    You don't get out much do you.
     
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    The UK, as well as every other European country, doesn't have a huge minority population like the U.S. does.

    Take away the firearm deaths caused by minorities (mostly blacks) and it puts the U.S. at about the middle of European countries when it comes to homicides.

    The 1.52 per 100,000 murder rate is right in the middle of the murder rate of developed European countries. Add the Black and Hispanic numbers back into the mix and apply to the entire United States population, and the murder rate goes up to 4.8 per 100,000. Guns or gun control simply do not correlate to higher murder rates, particularly when you consider that non-Hispanic Whites own guns at much higher rates than do Blacks or Hispanics in the United States.
    Murder rates are driven by cultural background, not by the instrument used.
    https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to.html
     
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    Yes, I do. Shoot my guns on a regular basis as well.

    Gun sales are through the roof, have been for years.

    First time gun ownership is at record highs.

    Ammo has been hard to find because so many people are buying it for their guns.

    So, you tell me what is stopping you from owning a gun?
     
  18. ChoppedLiver

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    Do you just go to the gun range/shooting area and nowhere else?

    Do you go to the store, restaurants, movies, hang around town and stuff?

    Is virtually everyone you see carrying firearms including yourself?

    Or is nary a firearm in sight except at the shooting area(s)?
     
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    So the US doesn’t have a gun issue, it has a minority issue according to your post, correct?

    How do you propose we “fix” this issue?
     
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    Your call.

    Give it a shot.
     
  21. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So the point of your post was what exactly?

    If those minority groups are Americans it is still an American problem. Your desire to paint certain groups as the cause doesn’t really address anything.

    What color was the individual in the OP?
     
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    Are they always that color?

    Hmmmmm?
     
  23. The Ant

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    Blacks make up 16% of the US population. In the UK, blacks (West Indian, Indian, Pakistani) make up about 13%. Not a big difference.
     
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    In mass shootings? Typically.
     
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    Good.

    Now explain to me why we can't walk around with our gun on a military base.
     

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