Poll Says Biden Would Lose To Generic Republican, But ...

Way TOO Early for that...
Let's see what things look like at this time 2 Years from now...

 

You're half right. They are definitely made to persuade people, but they do that by reflecting what other people think. How relevant a poll may be is usually decided by one's position on the issues being polled.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to a Pence administration either. Especially with the growing influence that the progressive nut jobs have on the Democratic party and the purging of moderates that some of those folks are trying to do within it. I just worry that Pence might be a right-wing version of a progressive fanatic. The guy obviously has honor and respect for the country and is willing to stand up to people as he did with Trump.

But, Pence also proved during his term as VP that he is a good and loyal soldier. That in itself is not a bad thing by any means, but politically speaking, it may result in him being a right-wing version of what the right thinks of Biden. A pawn being guided and controlled by others in his party. Can Pence lead, instead of being a loyal 1st lieutenant?

 

Good questions, Turtle.

Here’s what I mean by Pence being an acceptable candidate ...

In a general election against a Democrat, he would get the conservative vote. He would also be acceptable to the chunk of moderate Republicans who don’t like Trump because he would be a better choice than the Democrat, and he is “presidential” - experienced, articulate, gentlemanly, and tactful.

Pence strikes me as the type of guy who you can disagree with if you’re a liberal, but you can’t really hate like you can with Trump. And likability is important in an election.

I think he can be forgiven for being a good soldier for Trump because all VPs are good soldiers for the President. But he did it while still being himself - respectful of himself and others, and he defied Trump on January 6th.

I also think he could draw votes from moderate and right-leaning Independents. And that’s crucial since Independents comprise about a third of the electorate.

Pence served in the House of Representatives from 2001-2013 and as the Governor of Pennsylvania from 2013-2017, so yes, I think he can be a leader.

And finally, the Democrats have a problem. Who are they going to nominate?

Biden?
Harris?
Hillary?
Pocahontas?
Buttigieg?

I know 2024 is still a long ways off, but right now I’m not seeing a really strong potential Democratic candidate. And this first year under Biden has been awful for them.

So there’s my case for Pence.

 

I don’t see today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide and the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship ending anytime soon. It has become too ingrained into both major parties, there will be no movement out of this modern political era for quite a long time into future. It’s above any one president and probably above both parties’ leaders to get us out of this polarization. Both parties see this polarization and ultra-high partisanship as an advantage to them. As long as both parties preach hate the other party, make the other party into the worst devil in the world, run all these negative personal attack ads during election campaigns. Heck, they don’t even wait for an election anymore. Where neither side can put up with a differing political point of view, a different political philosophy or ideology than that own. This era will probably run into decades and ultimately destroy this nation. The party leaders of both parties has ingrained the hate of the other party through all of the above, the party’s bases now believe in their hearts the other party is dead set on destroying this country.

 

Exactly, well said.

 

Polls are notoriously as accurate as drunks in a bar throwing darts. I ask again, why do we need polls? Pollsters are getting rich but it's only for entertainment value.

 

I doubt political parties spend millions on polling for entertainment. They obviously get some value out of them and I doubt it's solely as a pastime.

 

I think there are a lot of generic national polls that maybe unreliable but candidates and politicians do a **** ton of internal polling that's superbly accurate. For example, that's why early in 2020 Trump started the second bout of the Big Lie. His campaign knew that he was trailing badly.

 

I agree internal polling is a tool political campaigns should use. But their polls aren't released to the public are they? It's all those media shock polls that try to shape public opinion I'm speaking about.

 

Do I hear a Trumpless Republican reference? Say it aint so.

 

I think DeSantis would wipe the floor with him.

 

Of course not. You simply say the above because you think De Santis being anti vaccine is your kind of leader and is more Trump than Trump since Trump took the vaccine.

You are not referring to a generic Republican, you are referring to a fringe Republican with extreme views that match your own about vaccines.


https://www.salon.com/2021/12/03/moderate-are-quitting-as-the-gops-big-tent-narrows/

 

Apparently I can't have an opinion without the peanut gallery talking about Trump and vaccines which have nothing to do with my post. You need to bone up on your mind reading.

 

His policies. I couldn't stand the man still can't. His policies were good for the country.

 

Really, you think he'd beat Trump?



That is of course if he is even alive in 2024, ever wonder why we don't hear much about his physicals. We already see how little work he can do. Then of course if he even has any comprehension ability left, we already see how far that has fallen and that will ONLY get worse. Not that I want Trump to be the Rep nominee again but the Dems aren't showing anyone who is going to recuse them from the ditch in which they find themselves.

 

Pence DeSantis could be strong setting up DeSantis down the road. Haley and Noem both would be good matchups but they come from smaller states. And all three of those could mount their own run.

 

My reservation about DeSantis is that he is one of those lightening rod politicians on the right. However, I am impressed by Noem.

It’s important that the ticket draws in the Independents.

Pence/Noem would be a good ticket. So would Pence/Haley.

 

What that shows you is how weak those candidates are. And yet, the GOP is probably going to nominate one of them anyway. So that says much more about GOP primary voters than it does Joe Biden.

 

It took Pence 14 months to finally stand up for himself.
That, IMO, is gutless. Granted, he's been on the run for a while because 2x impeached supporters were still likely trying to find him to hang him.

But he as the 2x ass kisser for 4 yrs, no matter how terrible the lying 2x impeached was. No gutless person should run for president.
And because he denied the 2x impeached loser a victory, 50% of republicans will never vote for him.

 

Well said and agreed.

 

Stumbling bumbling stupid Xoe won’t be running in 2024. Dems won’t let him. Hell, he may not last the next three years. He will keep getting lower in the polls as pretty much anything he does is a fail and makes him look even more stupid.