Poll Says Biden Would Lose To Generic Republican, But ...

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Are you relying upon an EC election?
     
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    Trump, DeSantis, Cruz and Pence are losers.

    Guess who the Republicans are going to run?
     
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    The first thing he would do is fly down to Marlago. Though he'd probably just put Trump up in the Lincoln Bedroom.
    Maybe Honest Abe's ghost would appear and frighten him to death.
     
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    your correct, in polls the one with the most votes wins, in the election Hillary got millions more votes than Trump

    so to make polls more accurate, they have to give votes in some states more weight than other
     
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    2 and 4 are definitely crimes. 1 is ambiguous, the rest are not. None are ethical.
     
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    It seems like the most angry and vengeful supporters hate Pence and due to that Party requiring Party loyalty, this might be a long shot. I don't even a time machine. I can hear Trump have a bigger breakdown that he's been having for a year and some months. LOL
    He doesn't seem like the kind of person that would take the lead but that doesn't mean he isn't or wouldn't. My concern is that his own President put a target on his back. He'd have to watch over his shoulder constantly if he stepped back into that 3-ring circus.
    I'm assuming this is compared to Trump. If so, he's functionally illiterate and hates reading so that's not likely to get better. So, if that is tipping the scales for Pence, it's going to tip the scales for anybody with more than a 6th grade vocabulary and a filter. ;-)
    I was thinking about hatching a plan whereby a bunch of us order McDonald's to deliver cheeseburgers to Mar-a-lago every half hour and just try to keep him distracted until someone sane looks like a real contender. LOL
     
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    Poll Says Biden Would Lose To Generic Republican, But ...

    Trump would also lose to a generic democrat. He already lost to the worst candidate in history. Both political parties need to stop trying to recycle the same people and do something positive for the country. There has to be a right person somewhere who would go through the gauntlet.
     
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    Specifically, the Dem in 2024 shouldn't care about running the count up in California. The last two election winners(including Biden) won swing states and smaller states. Putting money into California is a waste unless they could actually lose the State, but that would be never. California is content with ineffective policies.
     
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    Trump won because of racism! A whitelash!
     
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    The focus of the republican party should always be a 51% plurality. You do not achieve that by downsizing the party by attacking or destroying every moderate or centrist or critic of Trump.

    2022 should be objective not 2024. You run the best candidate for the state or district they are in. That means you do not run some bible thumping moron in a blue or purple district.

    In 2012 the republicans had an honest chance to turn Joe Biden's senate seat republican. Sean Hannity and other cons rallied behind an unqualified religious nut named Christine O'Donnell who then lost badly to Chris Coons. Why would they think a religious conservative could win a blue state like Delaware?

    Republicans need more candidates who can speak Spanish like Dan Crenshaw.
     
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    People also need to understand how power works in Washington. If Joe Manchin became an independent today and caucused with republicans, republicans would control the senate. That means they chair all the committees and have a majority vote in each committee. He's the same guy his ideology is no different but it would cause a huge power shift.

    Even a so called RINO is always better than a democrat. Compare how they vote.

    http://ratings.conservative.org
     
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    A lot of elections are that way, for one party or the other to lose. Both the 2016 and 2020 elections were the type for the Democrats to lose. They lost it in 2016 by nominating someone who was more disliked by independents than the GOP nominee. Thus, Trump winning independents by a 46-42 margin with 12% voting against both major party candidates. But avoided losing another they should have won in 2020 by nominating a safe candidate liked a whole lot more by independents than the incumbent was. Biden won independents 54-41.


    Now be careful in thinking low approvals this far out will have any bearing on future reelection chances. In 2010 Obama’s approval rating was at 40%, later in 2010 the GOP would pick up 63 house seats and 6 senate seats. But by Nov 2012, Obama had recovered to 53% approval and won reelection by 4 points over Romney. Bill Clinton was at 39% approval in 1994 on the way to losing 54 house seats that November letting the Republicans gain control of the House for the first time in 40 years. Bill rebounded to a 58% approval in November 1994 and trounced Bob Dole by 9 points. Reagan was at 42% this time in 1982, the GOP would lose 26 house seats that November, but Ronnie climbed back up to 62% in November of 1984 defeating Mondale by 18 points.


    Bottom line is a low presidential approval rating 2 plus years out from reelection means nothing for his reelection chances. Although it’s not a good sign for the low approval president’s party for the upcoming midterms.
     
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    Good points as always.

    I know Biden still has a lot of time left in his term, but I don’t see any signs that he is going to do a better job in the coming years. I honestly think he is declining a little more mentally every day. A good example of that: He and his administration have been very clear that we are not going to send our troops into Ukraine. Very clear and unequivocal. Then he tells troops from the 82nd Airborne what they’re going to see in Ukraine when they are there. I think this was not just a mistake of fact, or even a “gaffe”. I think it’s more serious than that.

    I still think the Republicans could throw away a chance to regain the WH by nominating Trump. I just don’t see Independents supporting him ever again. I think the Republicans can do better than Trump and have a strong chance in 2024. But that’s a ways off, and the midterms are coming soon which should be interesting.

    Cheers!
     
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    Who knows? 2024 could be Trump vs. Harris, another 2016. Both Trump and Harris have as of today, unfavorable of over 60% among independents. As for the midterms, I’ve been keeping daily track of redistricting. Here it is.

    45 states that has completed their redistricting process and has been signed into law. There are 383 newly drawn district which leaves 52 districts remaining. There are now 39 competitive, switchable districts, at risk districts. Currently held by 27 Democrats and 12 Republicans. Safe seats as of 27 Mar 2022, 171 Democratic, 173 Republican.

    The importance of safe seats is that they let you know how many seats from the competitive/at risk column and those districts yet to be redrawn a party must win to gain control of the House. As of today, the democrats need 47 more seats to reach the magic number of 218. The Republicans need 45. It remains to be seen how many safe seats each of the 5 remaining states add to each party’s safe seat column. The 5 remaining states are now Maryland, New Hampshire, Florida, Louisiana and Missouri.
     
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    Generic candidates always score high because they have no baggage or faults. The are the imaginary ideal candidate and no two people would agree on what that is.

    You will have to choose from actual republicans. And that is just scary.
     
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    Trump? Simple, something that means a great deal to lots of Republicans.

    He fights.

    Why is that so hard to understand?
     
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    God, I hope not.
     
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    One could say the record for voters who disliked both major party candidates was set in 2016 when 25% of all Americans which included 54% of independents disliked both Trump and Clinton, they didn’t want neither one to become the next president.

    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...mericans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx

    A Trump vs. Harris matchup in 2024 would most likely break that record big time.
     
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    And yet it happens.
     
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    Lol, yup. The world is full of idiots.
     
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    You’re probably right.
     

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