Prince Charles blames ‘foreign’ Jews for Mideast unrest in 1986 letter

The Byzantine Empire wasn't Slavic, it was Greek and it ended 500 years ago. Go learn some history. As for the Ottoman Empire, facing restrictions didn't mean the Jews weren't used as accomplices by the Turks.

 

The Nazi regime put forward the Final Solution in 1941. Israel is closer to 1937's Nazi regime, overt segregation but no holocaust yet.

True, true. But at the same time, the reverse is also true: The fear of being called an antisemite must not prevent us to denounce human rights abuse, no matter who's the aggressor or the victim.

 

if it wasn't for the Jewish Khazar empire Russia would have been overrun by the Muslims in the 13th century.

and no, the Jews fought against the Ottomans during WW1, not for them.

and yes, the Orthodox Slavs butchered and slaughtered the Jews on a yearly basis.

 

Israel has no public segregation for Jews and Muslims.

they use the same roads, buses, hospitals, restaurants, schools, colleges, etc etc.

Israel doesn't even compare to Jim Crow or Apartheid South Africa.

 

Not in the occupied territories.

 

Well, let us just look at what he said.

Ok, sure, any non muslim that moves into the middle east will be hated. Nothing new here. And when muslims hate you, there are plenty who will attack you, commit acts of terror, and take great gratification in killing you in the name of Allah.

Now, from the Jewish side of the equation, they got their own nation, whether you like it or not, and it happens to me in a part of the world filled with muslims. And given that the two sects of Islam hate one another and will kill one another, the animosity towards the jews is fully expected. So, the Jews decided to form a nation in the worst part of the world to form it. These Jews have some gonads boys and girls. And one has to admire that, for I surely do.

On top of that, the Jews brought modern civilization into a part of the world that still mentally lives in the 7th century. Regardless of the bad things Israel has done, in trying to maintain a nation, and arrive at some security for their people, Israel is still the Jewel of the middle east. For if you had to live in the middle east, as a member of the modern world and modern civ, where would you logically choose to live? In Iraq? Egypt? Iran? How about Saudia Arabia? Where would you be free to worship, publically, if you were a christian? And which nation would you feel the safest, if an atheist?

I do not give Israel a free pass, for I believe their settlements in the West Bank is an indication of just how well they really want a lasting solution to the Palestinian conundrum. Israel, being surrounded by nothing but enemies who dream of an end to Israel, must be recognized by the Israel haters. And yet, you never see that with the anti Israel people. These people talk as if Israel does not even have a right to defend herself, and are generally apologists for radical islamic groups like Hamas, who will in reality never be a part of any solution. Even their charter admits as much, unless they have drastically changed it.

Israel is also the best ally the US has in the middle east. And as long as we insist upon putting out empire noses into the business of the middle east, with our sense of entitlement that we so clearly have, being above international law, we need Israel. This is no big secret.

Most presidents have been on good terms with Israel, with the exception being Pres. Obama, who seemed to side with Israel's enemies at times, even as he worked hard to meddle in their elections due to his hatred or dislike for Net in Yahoo. Then getting upset when he mistakenly believed Putin was working hard to elect Trump. Again, this sense of entitlement that our gov't and many of our own people have when it comes to the US. We can meddle in any election that we want to, but that right is not extended to Russia. It is extended to Israel of course, and we even have Jewish organizations here that are doing the bidding of Israel when it comes to our presidential elections.

Last point...while we say and act as if we want the non democratic parts of the world to emulate America, not only our form of gov't but also our flavor of capitalism. And yet that is not the complete truth is it? For we invade other nations, take down their gov't and their leaders, as we meddle in foreign elections. Yet we do not want others to emulate us in these areas, do we? In fact, if another nation acted like the US, we would be in another war, trying to take them down and turn their land into piles of rubble with millions of refugees. And so, America has this sense of entitlement, of being above international law, even as our own intel agencies like the CIA are not subject to our own Constitution. So, no one had best emulate this! Although we might give Israel a pass on this. lol. For after all, our neocon created PNAC, which drives our foreign policy, is a scheme coming from a group of Americans who are also Jews. And who fully support Israel, regardless of what Israel does.

It is so ironic, that the historical most hated group of people in western civ as always been the Jews. That hatred will never die out, and europe has quite a few antisemites and always have. The only groups in america that held such hatred were groups like the KKK! So one could say that the jew haters of the world are in bad company, given what the KKK believes. Show me a hater of the jews and I will show you a racist at heart, while claiming to be non racist and attacking those who are honest and tell us they hate blacks, or hispanics and others. There is quite a sizable group on the left that are therefore closet racists, for if you can be antisemite, you have what it takes in your black heart to hate others. For once this sort of thing rots your heart, it opens you up for racism. And you have exactly what it takes to be a closet racist, while exclaiming to the contrary. And yet, if the modern left is anything, it is so full of hypocrisy as to be fatal if it were a physical disease instead of a diseased mind. How many modern leftists do you know who do not despise Israel? Perhaps we should poll this?

 

Actually the Middle East was thriving under the British. ..and especially Egypt, otherwise Europeans wouldn't have been flocking there. They were all forced to leave under Nassar, and it's been downhill every since.

Egypt before Nassar:

 

I have friends who live there, and they tell me that while there is no institutional segregation, there is most definitely social segregation. The top position (those who can do whatever they want) goes to secular Euro-Jews. Everyone else is below.

 

Go to Israel, and tell it to those who were saved by Christian Slavs and at the risk of their own lives, and that of their families. I'm sure you would do the same for them. Yeah right!.

You know Ronstar I could go into Ottoman history and say quite a bit, but I won't. But look, you can keep on delving in your embedded hatreds and animosities. I'm sure you'll gain a lot from it, and die a very happy person.

 

that's not the State of Israel, now is it?

 

are you saying the pogroms never happened?

why did millions of Jews flee Orthodox Russia during the late 19th century and early 20th century? cause the Orthodox Russians treated them soo well?


and by the way, the people who helped the Jews the most during WW2 were the Roman Catholic Poles.

 

Lawrence of Arabia loved the Arabs, and helped free them from the Turks... who he hated with a passion. That the Arabs didn't get what they wanted in the end, wasn't his fault. He did what he could.

 

I have breaking old news for you. Europe's Jews have been entering Palestine during the Ottoman rule, looooong before Balfour.

Some examples:
- The city of Rishon Le'Zion was established in 1882 by immigrants from Russian Empire
- The city of Petach Tikvah was established in 1878 by immigrants from Europe, first house was built by Lithuanian rabbi Arieh Leib Frumkin
- The city of Rehovot was established in 1890 by immigrants from Eastern Europe
- The city of Kfar Saba was established in 1898 on land bought by Baron de Rotschild
- The city of Hadera was established in 1891 by Lithuanian and Latvian Jews
- The city of Ness Ziona was established in 1891 by Ashkenazi Jews
- The city of Zichron Ya'akov was established in 1882 by Romanian Jews

I'm not sure why would anyone think that European Jews have been completely cut off from Palestine for all their history. There has been a constant flow of European Jews to Palestine during the Ottoman era. Spanish Jews have bought land in Hebron in the 16th century (yes, the land there, the land everyone and their mother in law's pet iguana think it's Arab owned since Adam and Eve, it's in fact Jewish owned since some 4 centuries before Balfour).

Arabs in Palestine didn't complain about Jewish immigration from Europe during the Ottoman era. Why? Maybe because they didn't think of Palestine as Arab land, but Turkish province?
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The pogroms did happen, and so did the retaliatory terrorist attacks in Russia which were the US equivalent of 10,000 thousand Senators, Representatives, Governors, Mayors, Police Chiefs being killed by terrorists and suicide bombers in 5 years. If that happened in the US, just imagine what the American people would have done.

Let's not forget that Israel built a wall to prevent terrorism, and yet it was so minimum in comparison to what was going on in Russia. You have to let go Ronstar, it's not healthy.

 

yes, which proves that Orthodox Slavs were not in love with the Jews.

 

In fact the Jews were in the Middle East long before any Muslims. Perhaps it's time too start asking whether Muslims deserve a homeland in the Middle East. They've spent too much time screwing up the area anyway.

 

If the British and French had not insisted on conquering the Middle East during WW1, that part of the world would have been much healthier and democratic today.

 

It is occupied by the Israeli state, therefore it's as good as if it was Israel itself.

The occupied territories are the dark side of Israel.

 

the Occupied Territories would be The State of Palestine today if the Arabs didn't keep rejecting decent peace offers.

now they have nothing AND a massive wall cutting off 13% of the West Bank and 600,000 Israeli settlers.

 

The Arabs didn't reject any decent peace offers, simply because there were none ever offered.

And yet they will one day win. Mark my words.

 

sure, maybe in 100 years.

meanwhile until then the Palestinian people will wallow in misery and suffering while every nation around them grows and prospers.

its their choice.

 

It was also the Jews' choice before they invaded Palestine, and for far longer.

 

in 1948 the Jews accepted a Partition Plan that was terribly less than what they wanted.

but it was a state, one where they could bring in millions of Jewish refugees from Europe and the Muslim world.

so they took what they could get.


and now Israel is a thriving, advanced, exciting economy.

the envy of the Middle East.

 

They are still working on it, thought. And they didn't "accept" a state - they imposed it.

Yeah - with 3 billions a year in military toys from US taxpayers (and not counting the contribution from Jewish communities worldwide, not exactly renowned for their poverty). It would require quite a dounce of a country to fail given these circumstances.

Ever heard about Dubai? I heard real estate costs more in Dubai than it does in Tel-Aviv.

 

The UAE, Bahrain, Dubai, are all doing tremendously better than the Palestinians.

the Gulf Arabs and Saudis live in exceptional luxury and wealth, while the Palestinians live in misery and suffering.

too bad.