Pro-Russian thread

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  1. Volker

    Volker New Member Past Donor

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    Why not? Isn't it almost the same size?

    It's the best voted by Chinese people? Who am I to disagree with them about their best inventions?

    Computers have not been invented in America. This was Germany.
    Television has not been invented in America. This was Germany.

    What electronics did America invent at all? How long ago was it?
     
  2. Volker

    Volker New Member Past Donor

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    They did not laugh at Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, or did they?

    I could ask you to take a look into your computer to find out what is Made in China there, but I'm afraid you, as an American, hurt yourself, get an electric shock or cause a fire. The chances to get the computer working again would be close to zero.

    This is true. They need an American to bring them pizza while designing good ones.
     
  3. bennyhill

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    Guru,
    there you go stepping on your dick again. Americans are not advise to start thinking on their own. There ignorance of the world is mind boggling.

    America is the home of broken hearts and many american imigrants regret that they came to your country. America is the land of the nerds.
     
  4. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    One is a lot more useful than the other.


    I agree that is probably the best they have to offer.


    Uh huh.

    Has anyone notified the Nobel people that they were wrong?


    The internet comes to mind:

    The laser:

    Which was needed for the first laser printer:

    And for Optical Mice:

    Cell Phones

    Hard disk drives (Magnetic media):

    That list is far from comprehensive...and is only major things related to electronics.

    And that is not even getting into specific products. The US has come to dominate the smartphone market (iPhone, Android, Blackberry, WM7 are all American). No amount of manufacturing alone will produce an iPhone...someone had to design it and test it and figure out how to make it work. They were the ones who invented and developed it, not the factory worker who put the pieces together.
     
  5. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    You might notice it doesnt say "designed in China". There is a really good reason for that.


    Glad we agree that there is a difference between designing and manufacturing.
     
  6. Potap

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    This is the second thing I want to prove to you. Laws of historical development are identical to everyone.


    China always was the world economic reason number 1. Even at the end of XVIII century its GNP exceeded GNP of all European countries including Russia. If opium wars and the subsequent European colonization have shipped China into poverty next 200 years, it does not mean that China always was poor. Learn history!

    This fact confirms my words. Chineses study. They study everywhere including in Russia.

    I only speak to you that through 10 - 20 years the USA will not be the economic reason number 1.
     
  7. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    The USA is not number 1 according to a standard of living. Scandinavian countries have higher standard of living. Sadistic-Savior tries to prove me that the USA is something especial and superunique. I do not see anything unique and superadvanced here. For me the USA is just the superpower which is number 1 at this time only, but at this time only.
     
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    Give me a press which prints money and I shall be the richest person of the world too.
     
  9. Volker

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    True, hybrid rice makes a lot of people well-fed.

    That's why they voted for it.

    So you don't know the difference between computer and microprocessor. It's ok. You are an American.

    Cool, it looks like you guys had some great ideas 40 years ago.

    Blackberry is Canadian.

    Americans have good marketing ideas, I give you this.
     
  10. Volker

    Volker New Member Past Donor

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    The reason is, it doesn't matter a lot, where it is designed. If it was a designed in Italy, this would be worth mentioned.

    Selective quoting is not good.
     
  11. The Balance

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    I don't think you get it. It was the best China has to offer, meaning not compared to anything else. So if a piece of junk is the best China had to offer, then it's still a piece of junk.

    And those things you use every day and can't walk away from correct?

    On the flip side, do you currently use any device that was a result of a Chinease invention? If so can you walk away from it without a major life change?

    And some re-inventions due to Americans past inventions like Lithium Ion has been the worlds first production electric car www.teslamotors.com Another world changing/saving idea that will be looked back on in 100 years from today as we do know with Ford.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't America has the most examined patents in the world?
     
  12. Volker

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    These only are not pieces of junk, except for ignorant Americans maybe.

    Fine, if Americans had not invented it, someone else would have done so. We had mobile phones in Germany before WWII, I guess, we only did not call them cell phones. Much of the work for the first laser came from Jewish German scientists who emigrated to the US.

    Probably yes, since so many electronical things come from China.

    I wouldn't try.
     
  13. Volker

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    You really have no idea. Europeans have had electrical cars for like 100 years or so. Britons delivered milk with it like forever. Swiss had real big ones.

    The car was invented by German Mercedes, not by Ford. Ford was innovative with production of cars.

    This is possible, but this doesn't mean, Americans developed these patents. These are international companies who register patents where it fits them best.
     
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    Being an American and ignorant is no contradiction, its part of there culture. The land that invented micky mouse and big mac doesnt own anybody.

    Yes. China, Japan and Europe own America. They are as corrupt as the Greeks and Italians.

    Could America have landed a man on the moon, without German know-how eg. Werner von Braun? No, they just keep stepping on their dicks.
     
  15. The Balance

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    Cop out. The point of the post was who invented it, not who "would have" invented it. I accept your defeat.

    Knock offs are not inventions. And your answer "probably" doesn't prove anything.

    That answers my question entirely. Thanks
     
  16. The Balance

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    practical and more successful electric road vehicles were invented by both American Thomas Davenport and Scotsmen Robert Davidson around 1842

    Unsubscribed.

    bye
     
  17. bennyhill

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    Give Europe and the rest of the world a break.

    Ameirca were still chasing indians as the germans invented the telefone, the car sent in 1968 Neil Armstrong to the moon and back. Americans steal like the Chinese. Why dont you boys learn to invent toys for yourself. Uhm? Legos come from Denmark.
     
  18. Sadistic-Savior

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    If that were true slavery would still exist. Obviously the "laws" change as we advance.


    That talent for reading the future could be very valuable. You are wasting it arguing on internet forums.


    Everywhere other than China. No one studies in China by choice...not even the Chinese.


    Being able to print money is not what gives money its value.
     
  19. Sadistic-Savior

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    So do lots of other things. By contrast, there is no replacement for the Microchip...and if there were it would not come out of China.


    What exactly do you think runs a computer? Magic faeries? Its ok, you are European.

    And um...the electronic computer in general (not just the processor) was invented by Americans too:

    Even if you do not consider the Kenbak-1 to be the first, the ones that came after it were all from IBM, Xerox and Apple.


    I guess that explains why they are falling behind Apple and Android right now. They could probably team up with Symbian...if Symbian wasnt also in free fall.


    Design and marketing are not the same thing. You understand that right?


    If it didnt matter the Chinese would be producing their own products instead of ours.


    Probably. But we did it first.


    Because they were not cell phones. Maybe you should read up on the difference between two way radios and cell phones.

    A two way radio is not a cell phone.


    How many were invented there?
     
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    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    Look on any list of top universities in the world...how many are American?


    ...and the nuclear bomb, and the microchip....


    Uh huh


    "Practical" being the key word. Lots of people contributed to the concepts needed to make one, but he was the first person to actually do so.


    We have been...China is busy manufacturing them for us.
     
  21. Volker

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    Try to sound a bit less stupid. The point of the post was "oh, what would you be without these great American inventions" and the answer is "we would be the same".

    I don't have to prove something here.

    You're welcome.
     
  22. Volker

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    More successful? How many of them have been build? <- rhetorical question

    Looks like the pro-Russian thread has a chance to get back on topic.

    It was not a good place for Americans to discuss their inferiority complexes to begin with.
     
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    Be merciful! :mrgreen: We all have complexes! He spoke and we listened.
     
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    Volker New Member Past Donor

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    How do you know?

    The first computers did not have microprocessors.

    The first computers have been built by Konrad Zuse in Germany. We even have one of them in the technical Museum in Dresden.

    By the way, Stibitz is very funny name in German language in this context :mrgreen:

    I do not consider it the first and not all of the later computers came from America.

    Symbian is in free fall? What are you talking about?

    I never said it is the same.

    They have the resources to do both and this is what they do.

    This is fine with me.

    I'm not talking about two way radios, I talk about real mobile phones ...

    I don't know and it's probably difficult to find out.
     
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    Ahhh, so true ...

    I hope it helped him :mrgreen:
     

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