The most famous empire in human history. But according to your "theory", they are not empire. Because they are not extended to the entire globe. Arab Caliphate (VII century). The Assyrian Empire (X-VI centuries BC. er.) The Brazilian Empire (1822-1889) The British Empire (1583 - 1997) Vietnamese Empire (1945) First Mexican Empire (1822-1823) Chinese Empire (221 to. Mr.. er. - 1912) Korean Empire (1897-1910) The Macedonian empire (c. 338 BC. er. - 309 BC. er.) The Mongol Empire (1206-136 Mughal Empire (1526-1857) The Ottoman Empire (1281-1923) Persian Empire (circa 550-330 BC. er.) Roman Empire (27 BC. er. - 476) The Western Roman Empire (395 - 476 (480)) The Byzantine Empire (395-1453) Latin Empire (1204-1261) Empire of Nicaea (1205-1261) Trebizond Empire (1204-1461) Russian Empire (1721-1917) The Holy Roman Empire (962-1806) Empire of the Hapsburgs (Austrian Empire) (1804-1867) Austro-Hungarian Empire ( one thousand eight hundred sixty-seven - 1 918 ) German Empire (1871-191 The Third Reich (1933-1945) Frankish empire of Charlemagne (800 - 843) French Empire First French Empire (1804-1815) Second French Empire (1853-1871) French colonial empire (c. 1605-1960) Japanese Empire (1868-1947)
Um...when did I say they were not an Empire? Quote please. I said they were not a Global empire. Please pay attention. Technically speaking, the US is not an empire IMO. Empires control or oppress subject states. The US does not do that. We could be described as a hegemony (by some definitions), but not an Empire. Compared to who? It is subjective, since they did not even come into contact with all of their contemporaries. History has not seen anything like the US before. The fact that weaker cultures before us have collapsed does not necessarily mean we will collapse. That does not mean our collapse is inevitable. Their history is written...ours is not. I am attempting to eliminate ambiguity. This is especially important considering the language barrier. Case in point; Rome was not a global power. By anyone's standards. What is eternal? Till the sun explodes? Till the universe burns out in heat death? I dont see the US decaying within the foreseeable future. Thats my point. Why would they say that? "Global" has no meaning on a galactic scale. More likely they will say "if your empire has no effect on the galaxy or universe, it is not GALACTIC empire". And they will be right.
Compared to everyone who was known at the time. They had no contact with Australian aborigines, Indians of Brazilian jungle and penguins in Antarctica as they were not a part of human civilization at that time. I repeat once again the size of the civilization was another. History has not seen anything like Rome before. History has not seen anything like Mongol Empire before. History has not seen anything like British Empire before. History teaches us only one thing - no one learn its lessons. Is it difficult to understand the logic of historical development is equivalent to everybody? You are attempting to confuse me in the small unimportant details to avoid counter-arguments against the main idea. This is especially important considering the fact - your knowledge of English is better than mine. I have agreed with you. Rome was not global but it was the most advanced and ruled the ancient world. This did not stop its decay. Following your logic it should rule the world even today. By the way Rome is still called as the eternal city. Look, you also know that nothing is eternal. Even the universe is not eternal. I also dont see the US decaying within the foreseeable future. But I see the U.S. will lose its leading position for China within the foreseeable future.
Exactly. We know everyone and influence everyone. They didnt. Repeating it a million times will not make it correct. And now they have. We know for sure that Rome failed. The US has not failed so far. If that were true we would still have slavery. Obviously we have advanced since then. By anyone's standards. There are other people in this thread who did not. That is why the argument was continuing. And that is a key reason why we are better than they are. Why they are not analogous to us. You say the US is like these other Empires, but in a lot of important ways, we are not like them at all. That is an empty statement because it is true about everything, even matter. Saying "OMG the US will fall eventually" doesn't really mean anything. If the US doesn't fall for 100,000 years that would still make the US exceptional. Especially if the society that succeeds it is based on it's principles. I am old enough to remember when people said that about Japan too. I do not agree that it is a certainty that China will supersede the US...far from it.
One gets the impression that you do not understand me or do not want to understand me. You break my posts into many small quotes out of context and comment almost every word. This is a common tactic of all persons who has no counter-arguments against the main ideas. All what I want to prove you is the history knows many examples of self-praise and high conceit of themselves. You are not the first and not the last who has such a conceit. And all of them had the same sad end. If you do not want to see these obvious things this is your private affair. China has 10 times more human resources than Japan, and almost 5 times more than the U.S.. Moreover the quality of these resources is growing, I mean the level of education and skills. China is the main kriditor of the USA. China is one of the main locomotive of global economic recovery after the 2008 crisis. According to the forecasts of economists in the 2020 -2030 years, China's GDP will be equal the U.S. GDP. China will become an economic superpower number 1. Only the blind can not see this obvious things.
If you really believe that, why resapond to me at all? I break up quotes so that there is no confusion as to what I am responding to. Well, that is not what you were actually saying. That does not necessarily mean that we will. You seem to think that if something has happened a certain way in the past, that it must always happen that way in the future. The variables are not identical. ...and has for a very long time. So what is different now? Their "human resources" were insufficient in the past. And barely half our GDP. They've had a far larger population than us for a very long time. So have ours. I dont see people flocking to China to get an education. I see lots of people flocking to American universities. How many new discoveries are coming out of China? So in 10 or 20 years they might actually catch up to our GDP, despite having 5 times our population. And you are impressed by this? If that = impressive to you, then by your own logic you should be far more impressed by what we have accomplished with only a fraction of their population.
American GDP is so high partially because China is around. Produce an iPod or so in China for USD 20 and sell it in the US for USD 100 makes like, I don't know, USD 18 GDP for China and maybe USD 78 GDP for the US. Still all the production took place in China and not much happened in the US.
Always enjoyed reading your comments. (*)(*)(*)(*) it's good to be American lol. Everyone hates the top dog. Once you hit top, you become a larger target to hate on. That's all there is to it.
Nothing is linear, not immigration, not a growing china, exc. You can't take the best peak of China's rise and come to a conclusion like that. Plus, people forget about standard of living. They leave it out completely when comparing countries. When and if china's GDP surpases the US, doesn't mean its standard of living will be higher. Just making average pay, one can afford a house (still cheaper than most parts of the world), two cars (Also cheaper than other countries) and multiple TVs and lots of useless stuff. My broke friends live pretty well, have jobs that provide pensions, 401k matching and will retire with social beneifits. No civilians in other countries live like this.
Americans can be so dumb at times, why did they leave school at the 3rd grade? Rome and England were one of thei finest examples of a world power. If America a world power, then how come Castro can still spit in your eyes Uncle Sam? America just stepping on your dick again.
Rome was not a global power. If you only know about 1/8th of the globe, you're not a global power. How is he spitting in our eyes? Do you see a mass exodus of people fleeing America to live in Cuba? How about the other way around? You think we could invade Iraq but not Cuba? LOL Our dick is so huge its hard to avoid stepping on it. Production and invention are not the same thing. Otherwise no one would be buying an iPod...they would be buying the Chinese version of an iPod. All the Chinese are doing is putting the pieces together. They did not design the product. Yeah, but you can never bring that up in threads like this because it is ultimately subjective. But I think our immigration rate speaks for itself. Lots of people want to get into America. China? Not so much. It aint just me. The immigration rate only measures who we actually let in...it doesnt include the countless millions that WANT to come here. Russia and China are probably pretty far down the list of destinations in that poll.
Americans can not really afford these things, they need the Chinese and others for lending them the money.
If the Chinese did not think we could afford it, they would not be lending us the money. We have a huge debt, but we have a huge income to support it.
Can you give me any high profile examples? What major products or innovations are the Chinese responsible for? I think gunpowder was the last one.
They are willing to take the risk, because they earn money with exporting goods. You have a huge income, because you sell things made in China to people, who borrowed money to buy it.
If we default on their loan to us, they stand to lose a great deal. They have an obvious incentive not to lend us money they dont think we will pay back. ...that were designed in America. If you go to a computer store and buy a motherboard and video card and case and put them together, that doesnt mean the computer is your product. All you did was assemble together something other people actually made.
All they nee is a good insurance. It is my product. I can put my brand on it, if I like. Hewlett Packard or Lenovo assemble things, too. Sure, Chinese make motherboards and video cards, too, and they sure don't need an American to design it for them.
It's not a blind link. Try the following: move the mouse arrow over the line and click the left mouse button. I pasted it for you, too bad, that you comment posts without reading them.
I dont know that I would compare "hybrid rice" to the microchip. That is really the best you can come up with? No chinese computers or other electronics?
If you told anyone that they would laugh in your face. Extremely crappy ones...which is why your local store doesnt sell them. They need an American to design good ones.
