Pro-Russian thread

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by Volker, Aug 17, 2009.

  1. magnum

    magnum Banned

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    Your friend in Germany says different. Apparently the Germans and Russians love each other now. I should say that my girlfriend is German and she informs me that she has no problem at all with Russians.
     
  2. Volker

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    What deep roots are these? They did not like Hitler and they arrested a bunch of Nazi collaborators in Odessa in the nineteen thirtees? They had very good reasons to do so. In case you don't know, the Nazis planned to attack the Soviet Union back then.

    Who would live there? The Volga Germans went to other places long ago.
     
  3. Volker

    Volker New Member Past Donor

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    This is a made up number, correct?

    No. Russia has always been a European country and the expansion to the East and the South East was led by Russians.

    Can you name one example, a single German, who was replaced by a Jew?

    No, I can not.

    Why is this bad for Russia?
     
  4. Volker

    Volker New Member Past Donor

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    I started this thread almost one and a half years ago and Nordic Yards, Vitaly Yusufov became the owner and Managing Director, the company is successful and builds big ships. Good news.
    http://www.nordicyards.com/index.php?id=4&L=1
     
  5. bennyhill

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    Germans did play a role in Russian affairs, but it was not as large as some americans might want to beleive. Many were just farmers.

    Now, Russia is a european country that now stradels two continents. Nevertheless, it is still euopean. They lived for more than a century under the yellow yoke (mongolia) and their is no evidence to suggest that Russians tend to look eastward, unless were talking about business. But, hey didnt Clinton say his future was in the Pacific Rim?

    Im certain that many Russians would be insulted to hear that their asians! I beleive their eastward expansion into Siberia didnt begin untill the 18th century. And of course they went south under Catherine the Great and got bogged down with their war against the Ottoman Turks.

    Americans who have no real history of their own, should be more careful about other cultures before the open their mouths.
     
  6. Art_Allm

    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    You cannot?

    Why?

    You have bragged that you can speak Russian, haven't you?

    If you were able to speak Russian, you could find all answers to your questions in this text.

    :D
     
  7. Volker

    Volker New Member Past Donor

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    The text does not display cyrillic script.

    I have not bragged about it, I simply said, I can.

    No, it should be a Russian text with cyrillic letters for me being able to do so.
     
  8. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    And yet, America is the most successful nation in human history. Odd eh?
     
  9. FROM THE USSR

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    very controversial argument...:bored:
     
  10. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    Immigration stats dont lie.
     
  11. Volker

    Volker New Member Past Donor

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    Then show them.
     
  12. FROM THE USSR

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    By your logic, Russia will soon become a paradise on earth.
     
  13. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    Ok.


    We have been averaging well over a million a year for a long time now. Thats about 3 or 4 times Canada, which is #2 in the world.

    (Keep in mind this is JUST new citizens...it doesnt count permanent residents or illegal aliens...or applicants that were not accepted. So the total immigration rate is probably double that figure or more)


     
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    Immigrants dont appear to share your optimism.
     
  15. FROM THE USSR

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    The blue color indicates a country's attractiveness to immigrants.
    Does this mean that Angola and Botswana are the successful countries in human history?
    [​IMG]
     
  16. Art_Allm

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    You have an old browser, Volky.

    Just click on Ansicht, Zeichenkodierung and select Kyrillisch (Windows-1251) if you really live in Germany.

    You are so helpless, you are an embarrassment for East Germany.

    :mrgreen:
     
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    No, Mexicans who migrate to the USA or Uzbeks who migrate to Moscow, or some black Africans who migrate to any country do not prove that these countries are successful.

    It only proves that Mexicans, Uzbeks or black Africans live in dismal conditions, and American or Russian politicians are too stupid or too corrupt to protect the interests of their own citizens.

    The more Uzbeks will migrate to Moscow, the more Moscow will be like Tashkent.

    The more Mexicans will migrate to the USA, the more USA will look like Mexico.

    That is not a success story, that is a tragedy!
     
  18. FROM THE USSR

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    That's what I meant! You understand me perfectly!
     
  19. Sadistic-Savior

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    I guess that would depend on whether or not their immigration statistics are higher than our's. Do you have any specifics on their immigration stats?

    Your map does not list the nations with the highest immigration rates in history. It only lists immigration rates relative to other nations...currently.
     
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    I would be willing to bet that if you eliminate all the poor immigrants that US immigration statistics would still be higher than everyone else's. Certainly higher than Russia's.

    The US got 115,000 immigrants from Europe and 22,000 from Canada in 2009. - http://www.dhs.gov/files/statistics/publications/LPR09.shtm - (Table 2 link)
     
  21. Potap

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    You'll be surprised. But I know it very well. More of that - our previos patriarch of Russian Orthodox Church was the ethnic German. His real name was Alexey Mikhailovich von Ridiger. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexy_II_of_Moscow
     
  22. Volker

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    Ok, at least there are still 25 million people, who want to keep company with us. Not bad.
     
  23. Potap

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    This is the self-confident teenager's opinion, nothing more. You Americans are looking at history from today's perspective only. But history is much older than the U.S. or any other country of the world. I'm not Francis Fukuyama who is trying to prove that you at the end of history. History has no end buddy. An ancient Chinese proverb says, "If you have got on top of the mountain, dont be under delusion, as you will have the way down." Your country has a little more than 200 years old history. But even for those 200 years you two times stood on the verge of collapse. I mean the civil war in 60s years of the XIX century and the Great Depression of 30s in XX century. History knows many countries which seemed successful, but after that they disappeared from the map. Yes, Rome ruled the world two thousand years ago. Yes, Rome had enormous influence on European and world culture. But where is the Roman Empire now? Aztecs also had an empire, but Hernán Cortés and his 300 warriors destroyed this empire. Egypt was the superpower 3500 years ago. But only the pyramids are a reminder of it's past greatness. Have so long history which have Russians, Germans, Frenchmen and others. Revive several times from an ashes like Chineses. And then we'll can say how much you are successful.
     
  24. Volker

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    This works.

    Baltic German aristocracy? How big was it, 50 families? Sounds completely exaggerated to me.
     
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    Do you really speak Russian?

    Can you understand this text?
    Here is the Google-translation:

    As you see, Baltic German aristocracy was on the top of the Russian aristocracy.

    But there was also a "middle class" in Russia, and the elite of this middle class was also predominantly German.

    The total German population of the Russian Empire was about 2,5 Millions.

    Do you really believe that the upper echelons of the imperial service, engineers, scientists, artists, physicians, rich farmers, landlords and the bourgeoisie - all were descendants of Baltic Germans?

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