In order to be part of the free trade area for trading with the EU, which the UK would needs to be to avoid massive economic damage, the UK would still have to pay a contribution, accept free movement of people, and comply with all of the rules and regulations that have trade implications (which is the vast majority of the rules and regulations associated with the EU). It would still probably not have full access for financial services (no country outside the EU has managed to negotiate that - it's why so many Swiss banks have big London branch offices), so the damage to that sector (on which the UK economy relies far too much, of course, but it is still the reality that it currently does) particularly could be enormous.
No that's not true. The free movement of people is not tied to being in the free trade area. The one is not a prerequisite for the other. There's no reason to conflate the two.
So Anthony Bamford - JCB is in favour of Brexit and now also James Dyson. Both very astute businessmen with successful operations here in the UK, sales in Europe and also elsewhere in the world. I guess they know nothing about commerce and trade though compared to the serial failures at the IMF etc..... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...if-we-leave-the-eu-no-one-will-trade-with-us/ Key quotes from the article: When the Remain campaign tells us no one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, its absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at nine billion a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year. Dyson exports far more to the rest of he world (81 per cent) than Europe (19 per cent). Were very pleased with the European market were number one in Germany and France but its small and the real growing and exciting markets are outside Europe. He produces another staggering fact. Sixty per cent of engineering undergraduates at British universities are from outside the EU, and 90 per cent of people doing research in science and engineering at British universities are from outside the EU. And we chuck them out! The point is that its completely mad not to welcome them, he says, why on earth would you chuck out researchers with that valuable technology which they then take back to China or Singapore and use it against us?" Softly spoken, Dysons Home Service Received Pronunciation tones become incensed when he talks about what he sees as our disloyalty to Commonwealth countries. They fought for us in two world wars. So that particularly upsets me. Were missing out on all those people who have helped us and with whom we have a great affinity, often a common language. Culturally, its all wrong. Were not only excluding them from our country, were charging them import duty because were forced to by the EU. And the foods cheaper, too. His views on Brussels have been shaped by bitter experience. Dyson sits on several European committees. And weve never once during 25 years ever got any clause or measure that we wanted into a European directive. Never once have we been able to block the slightest thing. These sessions are dominated by very large companies who agree on their approach before the meeting and so vote together as a bloc. And thats why we never get anywhere. We think thats anti-competitive practice and we would love to prove it but he gives a helpless shrug. In one notorious case, Dyson argued that vacuum cleaners should be tested in real homes, just as consumers would use them, in line with what the EU claimed it wanted. His competitors, who make machines with paper bags which clog, insisted the tests should take place in laboratories with brand new bags and filters. And no dust. Guess who won? "The court said there isnt a test for home use, which is a complete he searches for a kinder word, untruth. So its a politically motivated court of justice. Politically motivated to protect vested interests. I know what theyre like. I know how we have absolutely no control of what goes on in the EU and its starting to affect what we do here. Its just that on this issue I think theyre fundamentally wrong. I dont just mean from the business point of view, I mean from the point of view of sovereignty and our whole ability to govern ourselves. We will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it and we will be in control of our destiny. And control, I think, is the most important thing in life and business. He says what he fears is staying in. There is no status quo. Europes going to change. We all take risks, but theyre very calculated risks. The last thing I would ever want to do is to put myself in somebody elses hands. So for me the risk is in putting ourselves in the hands of Europe. Not just the other countries, but the Brussels bureaucrats. What I simply cant understand is why anyone would want to put themselves under their control.
Bill Cash, Tory MP writes... "How many people are on the EU payroll? You’d think it would be easy to find out — after all, we’re all paying for them through our taxes. But no — the EU doesn’t think that the public is entitled to this information. The most widely accepted estimate is that it directly employs 85,000 people. This is about the same as the entire British Army — though EU perks would make our soldiers more than slightly envious. Let’s start with the officials. At one time, those who went on regular trips got their own MasterCard with a memo informing them ‘this card is totally free and may also be used for private purposes’. That meant any cash withdrawals outside the EU — to a maximum of ¤5,000 (£3,930) a month — were paid for by the European Parliament. Not bad, particularly as they didn’t have to account for what they were spending the money on. What about Members of the European Parliament? They now get a salary of around £77,700. However, those who have been in the European Parliament since before 2009 can still use the old payments system, whereby their basic salaries are fixed at the level of MPs in their home country — so a British MEP would take home £74,962, while an Italian (the best paid) would get more than £127,000. What gives the job its real appeal though is its amazing expenses, as MEPs can claim £48,721 a year as a ‘subsistence allowance’. And, no, they don’t have to provide any receipts and, yes, it’s all tax-free. British MEPs have nicknamed this perk SOSO: Sign On and Sod Off.
Pigs at the proverbial trough? No wonder that the elitist parasites of all member states are panicking that it might all come to an end.
Eveyone I know voting for Brexit have jobs & are well educated. I live in Scotland, some are SNP voters & all are voting for a Brexit. I don't know anyone from "schemes" (working calss estates), just "nice" middle people & 100% are voting for Brexit. I think there is a BIG gulf between the British people and the guardian elite that want to enslave us to the pro-multi-national, banker elite that want us to remain within the EU. Time will tell, come Fri 24th June we shall see, I had originally thought 52-48 in favour of Brexit, but now I feel it will be a greater majority for leave.
All the people I know that are graduates are voting to stay. Only a few elderly neighbours are voting to leave - and that's because they don't like foreigners. There is no valid reason to leave. There are a lot of stupid British people, certainly. Ignoring the 90% of economists who think is likely to be a bad thing changes nothing. It'll be very close run, but we won't be leaving. I don't really want our country governed by right wing Tories led by BoJo , so hopefully common sense will prevail.
So you are just friends with people who think like you, how novel! Two recent polls but taken before the murder of Jo Cox have different results one on line poll putting exit on top by 45% remain 55% leave and the other a telephone one 53% remain 47% leave. So on these it could go either way. It is still to be seen how the murder of Jo will influence things http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/simultaneous-bmg-polls-contradict-each.html At the same time, outside your group of friends, although there has been a very small move to leave in Scotland as well, Scotland is still strongly in favour of remaining despite some SNP for various reasons voting exit. http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/uk-establishment-rocked-as-ipsos-mori.html
Well I wouldn't call anyone on either side of the debate "stupid". Maybe "ignorant" In the most the elderly people that will vote "leave" will do so because they see a loss of British-ness. It may be your interprtation that means "they hate foreigners" but that is an ignorant point of view. For me I shall vote to leave the EU, because I want British courts to be sovereign, British laws to be sovereign, I don't see the EU as an economic benifit to any class other that the super rich. I can only chuckle at your "governed by right wing Tories... BoJo" comment - I take it you read that in the Scottish Sun or Daily Record & didn't think of it yourself? Look at WestMinters it is 425-127 MP that are pro-EU, even the majority of Conservative are pro-EU. If there is a Brexit vote on the 23rd, when do you think Cameron & his pro-EU cromies will enact article 50 of the Lisbon treaty? Not soon I think if ever. I really think you are poorly educacted in fact & high of media flim-flam.
And you do? Ah it's all beginning to make sense now! Were you one of those dumping 'aid to Calais' at the French Embassy yesterday and holding a big placard reading 'Migrants welcome here'? And after the lessons of Germany and Sweden? 'useful idiots' I such an apposite term for unwitting liberal subversives. - - - Updated - - - With age comes wisdom - although not always - liberals never wise up.
I've met a lot of stupid brexit supporters, as well as ignorant ones. I wish I could say that wasn't true, but unfortunately it is. No, it's because they hate the foreigners, though some only hate them being here. That is not possible.All nation states make trade offs with their sovereignty - and that will continue to happen, even after Brexit. It will have to happen, as we need to to trade with the world. No, I don't read Scottish newspapers. I get my information from a variety of sources and have considered sides of the debate. ( although I tend to skim over the nationalistic rhetoric ) What about yourself? Where do your facts come from? Not soon, but they'll be put under pressure to get started. The far right Tories have enough clout to force his hand, led by BoJo It'll create such a mess, that Cameron will either step down or be ousted. My guess is, there will be another G.E. either next year or the year after. That is speculation, of course, but doesn't come from nowhere. We all should know BoJo wants to be PM. It's pretty much common knowledge. We should also know he's the favourite to replace Cameron. You're wrong about that, as well. ( at least I can spell!). There are actually good reasons to leave the EU. They are not reasons I agree with, but they do exist. I'd be happy to debate them with you, or anyone else on the Brexit side.
Unfortunately for you I have to state that you are very wrong. With my job I meet people with jobs of many different types, some have been long term locals of a certain region that have left school with few qualifications, some like myslef are highly mobile with a Univeristy degree. All have expressed the desire to leave the EU. Sorry about that, if your steroe-type bubble has been burst. I live & work in Scotland (East Lothian & Edinburgh) and everyone I know wants to leave the EU.
The working class vote will overwhelmingly be vote for Leave, as only the liberal-middle-class elite & owners of multi-nation companies benifit from the EU
Rejoice we have won 52-48 to leave !!! Now when will those dirty liars in WestMinter enact article 50 of the Lisbon treaty??? June 23rd British Independence day.
YAYYYY! And if it wasn't for Nigel Farage insisting on a referendum Cameron would never have sanctioned one, not in a million years, so well done Nige. He'd make a good prime minister because he has more patriotism in his little finger than Cameron has in his entire body.
