Propagandist warns China could down Nancy Pelosi’s plane during Taiwan trip

So did WW3 start like righties said would happen?

 

China, thankfully on some level backed down. Likely they did realize that the assassination of a US politician would lead to war. But it's not fear of this war with China, speaking for myself I've actively wanted war with China as early as 2013. It's clear that they are a financial hegemon against US interests, and they have now turned towards their military to continue to extend their grasp against US interests, including the so-called "South Chinese Sea". Chinese bellicose actions are not surprising in the least.

But if bellicosity is allowed, then thinking selfishly for the US I want a financial hold in Asia(much like i want a financial presence in Europe.). The US needs to economically expand to continue her dominance.

 

Xi is a bully and if you stand up to them, they back off.

 

And what emotional effect would that be? For starters, there was no criminal offense per 18 USC 2381. He does not meet any of the standards Although the news of this broke out after January 6th, the actual call happened, quite literally, in late summer or early august. That call was prompted after Trump stated that "China will pay a heavy price for what they have done to the world." That is when the call happened, not when the story broke out.

Furthermore, the Chinese government is very aware of our politics and the discord in our politics between our political parties. They are also aware of who is who and what their psyche evaluations from their own intelligence experts would say, much to the same as our intelligence experts on world leaders and key persons in government and business.

I do agree this was self-created but disagree by whom. All of this rhetoric, if you trace this from the beginning, from people who were Trump supporters and who believed, quite literally, that anyone working for the government should be absolutely loyal to Trump like some sort of God or dictator. And yes, I mean Hannity, Tucker, Laura, Perino, and others.

 

Xi, compared to Hu Juntao, is more hardline Communist than anything else. His stances mainly are controlling the information that the Chinese people can have and influencing information abroad on selected topics or events. However, he will allow the consumerism and materialistic adventures the Chinese people want right now, even if it goes against some of the core principles of the communist philosophy he was taught. I much prefer Hu Juntao than Xi.

 

Why are you on this board? Are things so bad down under that you have to perform virtual escapes to America?

 

Yes. It’s always interesting to hear Chinese people talking about their media and the information they get compared with western media.
He’s still a mouthy thug despite looking like Pooh Bear.
The furious Chinese threats that come out of China make them sound stupid.
“If you take the tiger by the tail” etc.

 

Okay, no: There shouldn't be a 'government within the government' and that's when those actors in the West Wing portrayed something different then in any other administration. When LBJ had the controversial stand down order, everyone in the WH against their own personal interests obeyed command. Even though it was absolutely spineless, LBJ was commander in chief. Not so in Trump's West Wing, in his west wing it was every man for his or her self and by damned did they take that liberty. They actually publicized their own intent on a front print page for crying outloud.

People wanna talk insurrection, that was by far insurrectionist behavior. It accumulated in the assault on the WH in the wake of the George Floyd incident(even though the Trump WH was quicker on the case than the Michael Brown episode.) Ironically enough, that assault on the WH and the explosions of bank machines in Philadelphia were not of interest to the media, comparatively to what occurred on the 6th.

Trump's presidency showed me how much the two party wing is truly a corporatist machine at this point, and as a Nationalist appointing any of them to key positions were I President is tantamount to weakening my administration. There is no more team of rivals. No, they don't have to obey every order(and certainly not if its unlawful) but they cannot act in sabotage and that's what they did.

They, as much as anyone have a part to play in the train wreck that led to January 6th(I believe the Russiagate episode, the resistance and everything that led to it, made Trump crack.). But in any event, I'd like to thank you for correcting me on the timeline. If we accept your timeline, ask yourself: Why did this come out then, as opposed to when it happened?

For political purposes, and specifically for the Speaker's. Most power hungry politician in the US right now and the one I trust the least.

 

I'm in the US.

 

You are conflating issues here, trying to link them when no link can be found in any format whatsoever. Besides, what "stand down order" are you talking about here? I do know that Johnson did ask congress, in a public speech to the public on TV, to pass laws that made the riots occur, but that is not a "stand down order."

Second, this is not a government within a government. As part of my former federal job description, "I did not need my supervisor's permission to take a piss" or to perform the job as described to me as I see fit, etc There are standards, or position descriptions, of the job you are assigned to from Chairman to the joint chief's of staff to the lowly private to any civilian job in the federal government. The same can be said with General Milley and what he did that we are talking about. In the beginning, Trump made rational choices for most of his key positions. and nearly all in which the Senate must approve. This included Jon Huntsman Jr for Russia Ambassador, Mathis for defense secretary, Chao for Transportation secretary, and even Stephen Mnuchin. I may not agree with all of their decisions, but disagreeing is not tantamount to "treason."

When it comes to January 6th, specifically the 1000 or so people who attempted to delay, thwart, overtake, disrupt, take over, etc Congress doing their Constitutional duty, that is by definition an insurrection. But under federal law, what they did specifically is what they were charged with.

 

Lol…what a complete load of twaddle.
The whole world was on knife edge while trump was mounting his two month long seditious coup attempt, wondering which tail that quisling would try to wag to keep himself in power.
Since the repubs were too afraid to do their duty, it fell to people who actually respect the constitution to look out for our welfare.

 

LMAO…you mean Barr, the cowardly toadie who whitewashed the Mueller report and let trump skate for his crimes?
Why am I not surprised?
If the repubs had done their sworn duty and brought trump to heel, we would have avoided the whole seditious mess he created to cling to power.
The dems did their constitutional duty but the repubs bent over and let trump trash their party and our country.
You can take this to the bank- everything trump touches turns to ****.

 

None of the rhetoric and bluster is real.

Pelosi, Biden, McConnell, etc... they're all globalists; they're all loyal to the multinational corporations and to China.

China wouldn't take out a loyal, and corrupt U.S. political traitor like Pelosi.

The only political assassination against a U.S. politician I can think of, carried out by the communists, was when the Soviets shot down KAL007 with Congressman Larry McDonald onboard.

McDonald was a Democrat, but he was the most conservative member of Congress, and a genuine thorn in the side of the Establishment and the Soviets.

Both political parties did everything they could to get rid of McDonald, but he kept getting reelected. Finally, they just shot his plan down and called it an accident.

Pelosi is one of their own - so it's just a dog and pony show for the American skulls of mush.

 

I've read every report(including the load of hyperbole) regarding the 1/6 incident. And from everything I read, and quite apart from our own obnoxiousness at times, no the 'world' wasn't hanging on its breath for domestic unrest in the US, anymore than we hung our breath when you had the incident on London Street in 2012.

At any event, the real problem still lies in that there are those who don't respect the chain of command, particularly when the opposite side is in power. To me, that's a national security risk and one that is prone to happen again.

 

And yet, she still did it and the point you made about her not going to China is incorrect.

You're welcome.

 

I'm going to try to eludicate what happened to the best of my ability: If history serves me correctly, it was the Arab-Israeli conflict and we had our own ship
in the contested waters(we had our flag on display.) and in spite of both the flag and attempts to communicate with the Israeli forces, they had gunned down our ship. There were those, understandably in the West Wing who wanted to respond(allies or not, they were downed Americans) but Johnson chose not to respond and essentially paved the incident over.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/israel-attacks-uss-liberty

My point is that the decision not to respond to an attacked US vessel was controversial in of itself, and it wasn't a universal agreement by any means. But nonetheless, those in Johnson's cabinet respected the Office of the Presidency and abided by President Johnson's decision not to respond.

So I'm not merely speaking of the Congressional opposition to Trump(that would be normal otherwise, the only abnormality was the Russiagate conspiracy theory that sabotaged the image of the White House for the first time ever, and in the end they couldn't prove their conspiracy). That aside, congressional failure is not a new thing. And it's a mere nuisance compared to the West Wing sabotage.

Nothing those who were appointed and engaged in that sabotage did was patriotic. It may be 'patriotic' to self serving individuals, but their patriotism is that of a different cloak altogether. Never in American History did we ever read the headlines of sabotaging from within the West Wing like we did in the Trump years, and to make matters worse they were proud of it!

If not for these actors, and several others over the course of an entire administration, perhaps what occurred on the 6th doesn't come to past. And the danger is that these people were basically patted on the back for insubordination, and are perhaps in line for another cozy job in Washington. These people are utterly incapable of serving the American Government.

 

She didn't go to China August 2, she went to Taiwan. Maybe you could get with the current events like everyone else?

 

I thought you were Aussie?

 

And ..... she's off to her next stop.... a lot of kerfuffle over a 24 hour visit....

FFS, even Moscow Mitch said it was perfectly OK for her to go to Taiwan....

Brief review of her trip

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/03/world/asia/pelosi-taiwan-china.html

 

Do you have any idea of what a war with China would entail? Even if China retaliates via a contained conflict, who knows how many American lives will be lost from Pelosi's self serving grandstanding.

There are far more intelligent ways to reassure our allies than this ham handed, politically motivated junket of Pelosi's.

Pelosi is not "standing up to China". As I mentioned earlier, this overblown stunt is only to attract the few voters in her district who are more pro Taiwan than pro America.

The only people who will truly be "standing up to China" will be the unfortunate American G.I.s sent to some distant hell-hole to fight in whatever hostilities are precipitated by Pelosi's self serving, politically motivated junket.

"Hell hath no fury like a non-combatant."

~C.L. Montague

"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting."

~George Orwell

 

The US should have fought them 15 years ago. 10 years down the line, it would be more challenging.

 

Thanks... this post qualifies as my morning chuckle...

 

Pelosi did good.

 

Possibly, but it certainly doesn't seem as if any harm was done, which should always the first goal of any foreign trip....

 

Why fight them at all without a very good reason?

Have you ever been to a V.A. hospital and seen the real cost our wars?