Public Muslim prayer in central Munich cancelled 'after threats from far right'

"Dr" Peter Hammond, the evangelical bigot who wants to convert every nation he and his poisonous bunch of vermin infest? Yeah, that's the one.

 

Things got worse. Why you think Merkel goes hardcore now and wants get rid of all this? Just yesterday they made new law to even conficate mobilephones from migrants so they learn where they came from and be able to send them back

 

And yet only a few days ago on the BBC news it was reported that she's more popular then ever, so what does that say about the German electorate?

 

The only place before I have seen threads like this and this are at Stormfront and it absolutely reads like one there, no ifs or buts.

With regard to neo fascist and Israel making ties, was done long ago. All of the new far right support Israel even white nationalists like Richard Spencer applaud Israel on her ethnic Nationalism so there is no question most of the people on this thread supporting same also will support Israel.

My experience of hatred of Muslims is that it began from pro Israelis – they are the people who from when I first started using political forums were pushing for it and it was minor then to what it is now

The major study on the deliberate creation of Islamophobia in the US which later became transnational with Europe discovered this was funded by supporters of Israel – and please be aware this also is strongly right Christians not just wealthy Jews.

https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/issues/2011/08/pdf/islamophobia.pdf

The same for the UK 'The Cold War on British Muslims' through here the neo con dimension is strongly there. Certainly in the UK the battle has also been strongly against 'liberalism' (not to be confused with 'neo liberalism' ) Muslims just being a suitable vehicle.

http://spinwatch.org/images/SpinwatchReport_ColdWar.pdf

Basically the intent is the destruction of Western Liberal Democracy.

The link between Israel and the neo fascism in the West is indelible.

The reality that this is the same Old Hate with a different target is also true.

American Jews en mass have tended to be 'liberals except for Israel' that is their innate position appears to have been liberal but when it came to Israel they turned a blind eye. However anyone who believed for one minute that creating the Old Hatred toward a new enemy would not also result in renewed hatred towards Jews was insane. What is being created is 'white nationalism' as this thread so efficiently shows and Jews will be a major target even if Brewiskier was a little early in bringing them in.

I am not intending on getting involved in this hate thread but any of you who do not know this better think again.

 

You liberals still don't get it do you - it isn't 'hatred of Muslims', it's hatred of their effing religion which (in case you haven't noticed ) has declared global jihad against us?? Jesus!

 

addendum to above:

This is 'the big one', and if we don't win it we're well and truly fried.

 

I think you did not understand. Merkel new Mantra is Deportation, Deportation, Deportation. That saved her popularity. The other candidate Schulz is a leftist. I vote far right AfD. The rise of AfD Made Merkel Go right as well.

 

So after she's caused the irreversible damage she changes sides from liberal to 'far right' (as the patriotic among us are often branded by the flakes.) If I were her and had made such a disastrous policy decision, I'd resign before the day was out.

 

She has no own ideology. Pure maccivellian. Not Just that, even leftist SPD with Löser Schulz Puts far right ideas in their Agenda now after they lost 3 elections.

In a sidenote, damage can be reversed.

 

Only by mass insurrection in your country - left-against-right - and that wouldn't be pretty?

 

I was thinking more Daily Stormer, the website for those too mentally, spiritually, and culturally damaged for even Stormfront.

 

Hmm. I had not been there before but I found this

https://bbs.dailystormer.com/t/interview-with-scottish-dawn/107734

Their website https://scottishdawn.com/

They have just posted that video and I think have just created themselves. At first I thought this must be the Tories and who knows it very well might be. In the local elections they elected several racists and bigots to Scotland's councils - even an anti LGBT with the Scottish Tory leader herself being a Lesbian! It may be them, would not surprise me at all. They are doing everything they can to try and destroy the support for Independence and with that to get the far right embedded in Scotland where it had no place before....but I listened to the first couple of minutes and they are a mixture of the Scottish Defence League which never got more than a dozen or so at a march and UKIP supporters. UKIP themselves being seriously against Scottish Independence gives lie to the idea they are anything to do with Independence. Their message is the opposite of Scottish Independence which is very inclusive.

I should not worry about them. Pegida tried a march in Edinburgh and only managed to get 3 marchers! However with the far right xenophobes the Tories are trying to bring to Scotland, I will keep them in my awareness. They are also trying to set the Orange Order loose in Scotland's politics and - all to stop Independence as England itself moves further and further to the right and tries by any means to take Scotland with her.

- anyway thanks for that, I will keep an eye on them and see if there is a murmur other than on than that. Under normal conditions there would not be but right now people are working to bring to Scotland that sort of stuff.


But to the Daily Stormer yes seems to be very much the anti Jew dimension. Chris Hedges believes that US fascism will use as its ideology the Christian Right - comprehensively entrenched in the Trump admin and with Pence to be President when they manage to impeach Trump...and of course they are believed to be strongly antisemetic despite their support for Israel....so then possibly the Stormer types and them will coalesce.

 

"Oh look, she's attacking the writer because she can't address the facts in the writing, how frustrating for her...."

When you can come offer facts that undermine the article, rejoin the thread. Not interested in BS or nonsense.

 

You claim you dislike hatred, bigotry, and racism - then attack jews. Pathetically clueless.

BTW honey it wasn't israelis who were kidnapping american sailors in the 1800s, nor was it israelis who were hijacking commercial airliners in the 1960s. The hundreds of muslim-driven terrorist attacks on EU soil like the ones in the last year, were not done by "israelis." Clearly, you're a muslim who thinks you can deflect worldwide muslim terrorism and blame jews or someone/something else for it; no wonder the rest of the world despises islam; you people can't take any responsibility for your awful behavior.

 

I managed about five mins of Scottish Dawn. It's funny the way these little nazi idiots pretend they're not nazi idiots and think they're getting away with it. Maybe they'll beat the Pegida Three and manage six or seven, if they can get them out of the pub before closing time.

 

Yes, an ethnic nationalist who would chase others out of town or worse. Now as to his position. Well he did bring a new word to this forum Cuck and look it is an alt right word it would appear http://www.arcmedia.org/blog/2017/05/12/disavow-cucks-not-martyrs/

By all means keep on laughing. I have not seen many of your posts but I did see one where you said you were a non practising Jew. I do not know how long you will laugh while you support this.

 

Ahh Dr. Hammond. He is for 100% certainty anti Muslim. He is biased I am afraid and very educated on the subject. I can not refute his numbers but his overall analysis I find flawed.

All great manipulators use some truth as a tool to convey their intended message. Then they shape it to twist it to their design and their intended audience laps it up.

ONE paragraph above I agree with 100% because it's a fact and that is the one with the last sentence in bold. Islam and more importantly to me Islamism is not just a religion. It's a political, economic, social, military system all wrapped up in one. It's amazingly efficient. It's also how Islamists were so successful in setting up their Caliphate and actually governing the areas they controlled. Their twisted translation of the Koran is even more so all things above stated.

I dislike immensely the constant confusion by people here on both sides for discussion after discussion confusing all Muslims with Islamists. It's beyond ignorance at this point.

Dr. Hammond doesn't differentiate between the two in his writings and maybe that's because he is a devout Christian missionary of many decades. He's biased by his faith.

The problem to me lies in all aspects of Muslim religious branches.. They simply due not integrate. So they the peaceful Muslims are isolated... Then when times get hard in a foreign country it's very easy for them to in frustration be recruited by Islamist or hard line conservative recruiters. Basically they are the sheep and the Islamists are the wolves...and where there are sheep? You always will find the wolves. It's their food supply. Or in this case their recruiting pool.

 

Yes I only managed the first few minutes as well. My concern is that it was still socially unacceptable to be bigoted in Scotland - probably made specially so due to the sectarianism which Salmond was determined to get rid of before Independence. If you have heard about 'divisiveness' in Scotland it is the Tories who are implementing it and concerning if they start to manage to get things which people ought not to be tolerant about acceptable.

Here's all you get when you put in a search for them https://www.bing.com/images/search?...D3427BEEF96DB3DB9FC3421D51CB58868&FORM=IQFRBA

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I support all views provided they can be ah displayed and supported with a good argument. I welcome it.

I personally believe that liberal progressivism is unflinching in its intolerance of any view other than what they feel is acceptable on any topic you care to name. I find that to be counter productive and not logical. I find it to be incapable of compromise.

Even to the extent posters here, the media, all will LIE, twist, and manipulate their message then rationalize it by convincing them selves it's OK because it's for the greater good.

The far right posters here and media albeit there's far fewer of them aren't any better. The same actually.

Even with my Jewish heritage I do not find Sobo his OP or any far right opinion offensive.. I find it interesting. I then offer I think my more moderate opinion. It may be easier for me because I was raised in Texas on a ranch surrounded by conservative views.

I only laugh at the left when the bias is so blindly hysterical that rational thought is thrown to the wind. What else to do? Cry? Give up? Be silent? Stick my head under my pillow and say over and over theirs no monsters under my bed?

I prefer laughter.

 

Well its never pr

Are you German? or from Europe?

I would like to make things more clear because i think its a bit hard for me in english.

I´m not a Nazi. I simply love my nation with all my heart. Germany is our home. We have no other home on this planet. It is the home of our ethnicity and it is one of the best nations on this planet.

We have immigrants from France, Poland, Italy and no problems with them. But muslims are 100% incompatible with German culture. They are mostly criminal. They create No Go Areas. They comitt majority of crimes. Their culture and way of living is against anything Germany stands for.

You know old chancellor Helmut Schmidt? One of the greatest chancellors we ever had. And he said, it is impossible to integrate Muslims. He also stated we must send them back. And i agree with that100%.

 

Nothing like the thought of a few of the guys coming out of the Staatliches Hofbrauhaus In Munchen after a few liters and confronting the Muslim organizers. One of the rowdiest places I had the pleasure of drinking and singing in.

 

What you may call "hate speech" may be exactly how the poster feels. Don't you hate those who are on the right? I could call that racist but I would think it is exactly how you feel. You all call yourselves "progressives" but you want everyone to conform to your way of thinking. I think of most of you as either socialists, communists, fascists and lately anarchists. You have a proclivity to condemn any who disagree as ignorant, racist, stupid, etc. I dislike as many white groups as I dislike some groups of other persuasion. Do I hate the people personally? Not really. I just may not want to associate with certain people who may have a different doctrine or outlook on life as I do. I enjoy being around people of my own values. I may not agree with certain people where I work and would never socialize with them but I do treat them with respect as long as they treat me the same. I have two people at work, for over two years, that I never talk too unless it's work related. They wanted to get an attitude and they got back what they dished out.

 

You support views which are encouraging ethnic violence. I don't. I agree with Popper's views on tolerance as in my signature. You support views which encourage hatred and indeed violence against an ethnicity and you believe there can be good arguments for them. This is certainly the situation we currently face.

Lets deal with what we are dealing with on these two Daily Stormer type threads. We are dealing with people encouraging hatred towards an ethnicity and violence or mass deportations of same. In order for you to find this not objectionable you must support it. (I deal with you clarifying your position later but in general what I said is true) Some things there is only an I agree or I do not agree answer. In this instance you support the views expressed in this thread and the other similar one.

I suspect what you are calling 'liberal progressiveness' is simply whatever you do not agree with.

This is still whatever it is that you call 'liberal progressivism' and add ' is unflinching in its intolerance of any view other than what they feel is acceptable on any topic you care to name.'

and you do not find that of the people you are supporting in this thread?

What you say here especially when you say 'all' sounds a bit like paranoia. However again, we are only dealing with the issues in this thread. People either agree to despise all members of an ethnicity and threaten mass expulsions or worse on them or they do not. It is as simply as that. Now I will grant you that in the past people were very careful to hide these feelings and the ideas they created and I grant that this was due to ideas which came in concerning prejudice along grounds of ethnicity/religion/sexuality and so on. Funnily enough here often the young are the ones least bothered by this prejudice having been brought up not to have it. At the same time obviously there were many who hid it because they knew it was socially unacceptable. Then we started hearing about PC and bit by bit all that has been thrown out bit by bit till now we have this and the other thread which would only ever have been seen at a site like Stormfront up to their creation. The people who hid what they thought do not need to now. It is all out in the open. They are the ones who get support from yourself. This it seems has been caused by the internet.

Now there certainly also is false items in our newspapers, tv and so on but far from people following what they do not think/feel, I believe they do the opposite. There is masses of information now available to people. People who are racist can be quite happy going to sites which encourage this. So happy that they no longer turn a hair doing it on a site which even now I suspect if these two threads had been reported would have been ended.

There is a difference to being unaware of what the truth is and supporting ethnic hatred. Clearly anyone can come on this site and say almost anything. We do not know whether they have done it or not. That is not the issue. The issue is whether you condone it which you appear to do.

Well I am in Britain and will get different media from you but I don't think I have much of an argument with you here. Some media sources give the information which then feeds the far right so that they come to their positions. Often that information is not honest. Once someone has a view it is very difficult to change it.

It is I think a rule not to discuss other posters. I find them concerning and in the current situation even more. This is because I have concerns about where we are heading. I do not want to live in a fascist world. I do not want ethnic tensions. I am a woman!! I do not want misogyny. I have two grandsons 6 and 4. The 6 year old is the most macho little boy you could meet and the 4 year old although absolutely adorable would not surprise either me or his mother if we found out he is gay when he grows up. We have created a decent world where people had the opportunity to live largely without fear and with the right to be who they are. The current moment we are at is one which is seriously threatening that and that includes in the US Jew hatred - on a personal level I would say you would be wise to be cautious. What people say on a ranch which your parents likely owned is not the same as allowing to become law that which may seriously harm you.

It sounds like it is because you see it in the abstract. You emotionally separate yourself from it. The bad news is this is not just a few people's quirky opinions, this is reality of what we are walking into although I understand that the US has been putting up some good 'resistance'. I think it is great that you can separate yourself from your emotions and I would agree it is much easier to reply to you than to most people but if you do not take this seriously there is a very strong possibility that you are going to one day say 'how the hell could this have happened!'

I haven't seen the left on this or the other thread being like that. I have seen that coming from the people you are supporting/condoning. Again if you believe that the attitudes in these threads which you support/condone are not attitudes which could easily become reality then you are not keeping in touch with what is going on. That is where your monsters are.

Have you heard of 'gallows humour'? Some things are funny. The views expressed in these threads are not.

 

Hmm, mine drove the ambulance! Yes, you are right, they are being used. We have lost our democracies. They have turned into Plutocracies who serve the most wealthy not the voters. People are frustrated. They see no hope. It seems in these situation to be easy to get people to blame the other and of course there is a particular country which very much wants this - including the walk to fascism I think.

With East Germany I suspect they did not do much introspection after WW2 as was done in the West. That seems to be pretty much the case with all ex soviet countries but really I think the biggest thing is the sense of hopelessness that many seem to have and which they are given the answer of 'it is all the other'. What we do need to sort out is neo liberalism and corporate power and get our democracies back. I know the early neo cons though democracy was not a good thing - hell look what happened in the 60's and I know Thatcher agreed with people of this orientation who just happened to be neo liberals. Well you cannot just say to people - 'we have changed our minds no more democracy'. I know that the writers of the 'cold war on British Muslims' believed that the fundamental motivation of developing mistrust and hatred towards Muslims was to destroy Western Liberal Democracy - that it was simply a vehicle to that end and if you look at the haters you will see that that is very much part of most of their language and hence I imagine position.

 

This seems like an appropriate spot for this clip considering how many unpleasant white westerners whine about Muslim incompatibility with the west.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/wido...ally-ill-children-45540482?cid=social_fb_abcn