Putin - Russia Will Begin Partial Mobilization Immediately

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  1. Tofiks

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    I think it's international bullshit. The case is, that some dark forces(system/ establishment/ judeomasons/ Soros/ Bill Gates/You name it) invented G5 network to cook people's brain. It's quite funny to look at this kind of morons, who see conspiracy behind every corner. But in other case, this **** can lead to fascism, because these idiots always look for some strong man, who will save them from dark forces.
     
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    How can you say that with a straight face. Putin like other Russian despots before him is trying to destroy the Ukrainian language, culture, and commit genocide against Ukrainians. Russian is the official language of Russia. Ukrainian is the official language of Ukraine. But the Russians in Ukraine are claiming that they want Russian as an official language. So the ethnic Ukrainians living in Russia should demand Ukrainian as an official language especially in the Kuban. No one is trying to destroy Russian culture anywhere on earth. Some unknown percentage of Russians have accepted western culture or some aspects of it. That is not the fault of the west. If Russia did not want television ok pass a law against it and enforce it. If you did not want McDonalds or Pepsi keep them out. You don’t like rock and roll or jazz music then arrest those who play them or listen to them. Fill your gulags with those who listen or play jazz. Yet Russia imposes it’s culture on other peoples and nations. Russians committed and still commit genocide. Keep that evil culture to yourself the world does not want your genocidal culture.
    Stop mimicking wester culture. Arrest your oligarchs who possess expensive western toys such as yachts. You do not need to have western culture if you do not want it. You hate democracy so you live in a dictatorship that is your business but keep it to yourself. You have found a friend in Trump who hates democracy. No wonder the Orange “man” loves him some Putin and admires Putin.
     
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    I'll try to flesh-out some of my earlier thoughts, but first I think everyone on all sides of this conflict needs to get off this nonsense of proclaiming that their adversaries are "Nazis". There haven't been any Nazis in the sense that both Russians and Ukrainians are using the word since May 8, 1945! Blowing around all the time about "Nazis" in their conflict injects a degree of silly childishness into what has now become a very grave, harrowing nightmare of destruction, torture, and human carnage!

    By this point, Putin should have been pragmatic enough to realize that because he had already been effective in developing a robust economy built on energy supplies, it didn't matter if there were some "sanctions" levied against Russia. Russia was right at the moment of opening up the Nord Stream II pipeline when Putin decided to go barging into Ukraine -- why? Some say it was to take advantage of Joe Biden's mental vacancy, but Putin should have simply started pumping vast amounts of natural gas to Germany and let the U. S. carry on (as if anybody really cared).

    It's only my opinion, but not since the end of the old Soviet Union in 1991 have I heard any Americans hating on Russian people. After the Crimea 'acquisition', we were very apprehensive, but most of us understood that Putin did it to protect the Russian Black Sea Navy Fleet at Sevastopol.

    But now Putin comes off as being a monster who commits mass murder against innocent civilians and who callously destroys entire cities and villages.

    Again, all rhetoric aside, if there is a NATO versus Russia war, can he afford to see Moscow and St. Petersburg laid to waste? And really, besides those two important metro areas, what has he got? Honestly, if Putin is half as smart as I have believed him to be in the past, he'll take Donetsk and Luhansk, which are strongly pro-Russian anyway... and then 'call it a day'.







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    Could the school shooting in Izhevsk be a false flag operation to whip up anti Ukraine (nazi) fervour?
     
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    The term Nazi is used towards the militant groups such as Azov, Aidar, Right Sector, etc., who are torturing, killing and committing genocide on Russian civilians. Their intent is to ethnically cleanse the Russian speakers so they could change the demographics and remain in power. This has been going on since the coup.

    I remember seeing videos of these thugs walking around Maidan carrying heavy chains and other medieval weaponry. They even had a battering ram to use against the police, who were not allowed by Yanukovich to shoot at them.

    If we didn't differentiate these ultra nationalists by calling them 'Nazis' from the average Ukrainian soldier, it would be very unfair.
    There was no plans on opening the Nord Stream II pipeline. Poland and Lithuania were adamantly against it so they could gain economically by processing American LNG gas to the EU. Washington did everything to stop Nord Stream II and they did.

    As for barging into Ukraine, Russia did that when Biden began sending heavy weapons to the ultra nationalist 'armies' that were massed at the border of the 2 Republics. The excuse Biden used, was that Russia was going to attack - even though the Russian troops were 200 kilometers away. With the added weaponry the militants increased their attacks 30 fold.

    In order to protect the people from genocide and remain within international law, Putin recognized the 2 Republics as separate countries and not a part of Ukraine. This gave the Republics the right to ask for Russian peacekeepers.
    When the peacekeepers entered, they were immediately attacked by the Ukrainians, and this in turn gave Russia the right to enter Ukraine and track them down.

    In 3 days Russia destroyed over 2,000 Ukrainian military installations and Zalensky was ready to go to the peace table. Orders came though from Washington through Boris Johnson not to stop the fighting and so we are where we are.

    As for using nuclear arms, I just heard on the Duran the last paragraphs of Putin's speech where he supposedly threatened to use nukes. These are not the exact words, but basically what Putin said is that Kiev with the West's knowledge is conducting nuclear terrorism by attacking the nuclear plant. Also that a high official threatened Russia with nukes, and Putin's response was that Russia has even more advanced weapons than the US, which they can use in response to protect the Russian people and nation.

    The Americans do not hate the Russians, but certain controlling parties in Washington do. Obama started the propaganda when he stole the Russian diplomatic properties before leaving office so that Trump wouldn't be able to better relations. The propaganda and demonizing continued throughout Trump's presidency with the fake dossier and the impeachments.

    As for Crimea, almost all the people are Russian. They speak Russian, conduct their business in Russian, go to school in Russia and marry Russians. When the pogrom occurred at Korsun towards the 300 Crimeans who were protesting against the coup, and 7 were killed for speaking Russian and 30 went missing, the ultra nationalists ('Nazis') told them that they were going to Crimea and do the same to all of them.

    So when they went back Crimea declared its independence. They asked the Russian troops stationed there to help protect them until they could hold a referendum and they did. The people voted to join Russia rather than independence because they didn't want to be invaded by Kiev the way they were in 1995.



    Except that Russia is not the one killing and destroying them. It's all lies and propaganda. Those areas are all populated by Russians, so why would he want to kill them and destroy the same towns that Russia will have to rebuild? The Ukrainians are doing it by following a scorched earth policy so as to blame Russia. Also by holding the civilians as human shields, Russia can't respond to their attacks or they'll end up killing their own people. This is why Russia has been taking so long to do that which the US would have done in 3 days simply by bombing everything and everyone to Kingdom come.

    The ones that are really putting themselves on the line to save the civilians are the Chechnyans volunteers, since they are the ones doing the urban fighting in order to save the civilians who are being used as human shields. Twenty thousand are now re-entering Ukraine to help free Kharkov and Odessa.


    Something could have been worked out in March when Zalensky was willing to talk. But that ended with Johnson's visit.

    Pogrom of Crimeans at Korsum

     
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    Respectfully, that's just ****ing stupid. And it's that kind of dumbassery that's got us in this predicament in the first place.

    elensky, and his ****ing nazis, are calling for a nuclear first strike against Russia.....by the U.S.

    I'm sorry but anyone that still supports the idiots in the ukraine can go **** themselves. It's far past time to wake the **** up. "the ukraine" is a corrupt shithole....not worth it....never was...and NATO needs to carry its ass West.

    You don't want a war with Russia. The Russians beat the Germans and lost 20 million in the process. They won't do that again, they will nuke before that happens again. THAT'S WHY IT IS A DUMB ****ING IDEA FOR THE U.S. TO BE TRAINING ****ING NAZIS IN "the ukraine".

    NATO can eat **** and die.
     
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    The latest update from the ISW (dated 25 September) briefly analyzes Putin' partial mobilization plan. The conclusions? Based on its analysis Russia's 'partial' mobilization will have little or no impact on the outcome of the war until next year at the earliest and even then is not likely to achieve anything more than an increased Russian body count while producing little, if anything in the way of significant outcomes on the battlefield for Russia. The reasons for this are clearly detailed in the update. More detailed analysis will follow

    https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-25
     
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    What language and culture, they never had one. Part of Ukraine was part of Poland, and most of it was part of Russia. The name Ukraine, means the outskirts of Russia in Greek. It was never a country so stop trying to change history.

    Todays Ukraine is a construct of the Soviet Union. It consists of a large piece of Russia, a large piece of Poland, a part of Hungary and a part of Romania. I think a small part also belongs to the Czech Republic and maybe Belarus, but I may be wrong.
    What do you mean claiming it. The South and East of Ukraine was always part of Russia, so why shouldn't they speak their own language instead of having an inferior Gallician dialect imposed on them? Besides, why should they hand you their lands? Just because you massacred and killed all the Poles in WWII to steal their lands and their city of Lviv, doesn't mean you can do it to the Russians.


    If the people there want their language taught in school, I'm sure Russia would accommodate them the way it does most of the 123 languages that are spoken in the Russian Federation. If Russian is taught throughout the Federation, it's so they can communicate with one another, and also because all nations use the most literary dialect as their national tongue, otherwise they would end up with a country of very stupid people.


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    What whipping up of anti Nazi fervor? The Russians were always anti Nazi. Wouldn't you be if you had their history.

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    Get Ready for the Russian Holy War.

    Russian Orthodox patriarch calls Russians to martyrdom in Ukraine to have sins "washed away"

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    'Patriarch Kirill, a Vladimir Putin crony, declared that Russian men who die for “Holy Russia” by participating in its genocide in Ukraine will have their sins “washed away”'

    Fortunately, Kirill’s pitch isn’t working. 'Putin’s full mobilization has created a massive public backlash especially in the regions where Putin hopes to draw the most manpower. Even in Moscow, however, Putin’s order has perhaps pushed the heretofore complacent Muscovites into open dissent:'
     
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    Well, no, not always. They signed a deal with the Nazis to divide Poland between themselves and Nazi Germany, after all, and now they have become Nazis themselves.
     
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    Now you know where Purveyor has been getting his silly claims to the same effect from. :lol:
     
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    The partial mobilization is to guard Russia's new 1,000 kilometer border. Once these territories become part of the Federation, the Donetsk and Lugansk armies will become part of the Russian army and they'll be brought up to par with the latest Russian equipment. They'll probably have new recruits as well from the other 2 territories.

    As for body count, I think you're thinking of Ukraine. Zalensky is the one who sends the men to fight on the front lines with 2 weeks training and no protective gear or ammunition.

    Well if they have to fight and die to preserve their faith and civilization from the evils of liberal globalism, then I guess they will be martyrs.

    A spiritual leader is not a crony.
    Oh now it's not the Russians in Donbas that are being killed by the Nazis, it's the Russians who are committing the genocide. Tell us another one.

    Yep, a massive back lash. Keep dreaming! One million from all over Russia rallied in support of the referendum - or haven't you heard?


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    There seems to be a lack of enthusiasm for his special military operation.
    I wondered if this might have spurred them on.
     
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    Russian bot decides, which parts of sovereign country with international recognized borders belongs to other countries. At the mean time he is against Nazism, but he is so stupid, that he even do not realize, that it's the same Nazi thinking pattern - divide countries using force just because we want to do it.
     
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    Oh for Gods sake! Did you even bother to read the article before deciding to reply? If you did its quite clear from their analysis why they reached their conclusions.

    It's called training. In summery on average it takes 1-2 years (depending on the specialization involved) before you can turn a new recruit into a competent solider. An infantry soldier takes about 12 months before they can be considered 'reasonably' competent at their job, not great, just 'OK'. Other arms dependent on complex equipment like the armored corps take even longer. Putin's 'mobilization' is giving these men less than 3 month training before committing them to battle.

    On average it takes 5 year to train a Doctor to a basic level of competence. An engineer? 4 years. A plumber 2 years. Would you be happy to be treated by a 'Doctor' who had less 1 years training? No?The why are you happy to be 'defended' by a soldier who basically has no idea yet what he's supposed to be doing and in the vast majority of cases doesn't even want to be fighting in the first place! At least Ukrainian soldiers are volunteers and they're getting assistance with training form NATO on top of what they're own army is providing.

    And then there's the 'little' additional problem of equipping them all with modern body armor, radios, squad/platoon level support weapons, combat transports, food, sleeping bags and tents etc. Things which front line Russian soldiers are already complaining are in short supply on some fronts.

    Ukraine on the other hand has shortages in some equipment that are being made up as quickly as possible but they don't commit troops to offensive operations unless the units involved are equipped to a standard that lets them do they're job and win. Putin on the other hand is on record as having untrained conscript militia armed with WW2 era rifles and no body armor 'attack' Ukrainian defenses.
     
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    They are already out of males to conscript in the puppet regimes as they have press ganged absolutely every male under 65 fit or not. Russia can't provide basic equipment to its existing force so it sure as hell won't be able to provide basic equipment for the new untrained forced conscripts.
     
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    You are posting absolute false crap either on purpose ( very likely) or from ignorance or just plain hatred of Ukrainians and Ukraine. Go and study some history. Read Myhailo Hrushevsky a turn of the century Ukrainian historian. As for countries or part of countries who were occupied by a foreign power you are drawing the wrong conclusion or is it the wrong accusation. Poland was at limes occupied by empires or other countries. When part of the Austrian Hungarian empire did they or their culture disappear! You know it did not.

    There were many countries and people occupied by the Ottoman Empire that re-emerged once the evil Ottoman Empire fell. Israel had “disapered “ under multiple times and for 2000 years yet Jews in the Middle East did not disappear. Ukraine has indeed been fighting for its independence and right to exist for about 800 years.


    Russia has stolen Ukrainian culture and history. The Kyiv Rus is Ukrainian. And country to Western false conclusion NO Rus does not stand for Russia. Russia is ‘Rociya or Rocia’ . You know that. Russia does not own Volodomyr the Great but since Russia lacks a historic figure as great as Volodomyr the Great Russians attempt to steal his history.

    You claimed in another post that Russia wants to protect its “Slavic “ culture. Myhailo Krushshyy ( the historial I mentioned above) had at the turn of the 19th to 20th century proved by reader h of documents many of which were stolen by Russia and stored in Petrograd (Leningrad) that Russia and Russians have Turkic, FinoTurkic, Mongol, and Siberian ( multiple) ethnic roots and culture. Modern DNA proved that Hrushevskyy was correct.

    So stop smearing Ukraine and Ukrainians and go and embrace the truth and.you know what Putin, the Kremlin, and what the Czars have farted out is bovine excrement.
     
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    it must be frustrating to live on the fringe of reality.
     
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    It sure must be hard being a Putin fanatic watch him fail over and over again when this "operation" should have been over in weeks and spent mopping up the leftovers.

    This is why it is a dumbass idea to be training citizens for 2 weeks with no beds or pillows or effective weaponry leading those conscripts to their deaths on the front lines like lambs to the slaughter. Don't you think those conscripts are telling their families about these lies right now even expanding the discontent inside Russia?

    What we are witnessing is the fall of Putin and a massive failure in their venture to steal lands from innocent neighbors. Repeating Putins propaganda machines lies won't win you any converts as we all know Russian media is nothing but lies.
     
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    It looks like Russians are as bad at building and operating pipelines as they are at mobilizing conscripts. Nord Stream 2 bursts under the Baltic sea allowing huge amounts of natural gas to be released.

     
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    If Grifter Biden and his puppet masters would just back off their efforts to destroy Russia, the people of Ukraine and the Donbass could live normal lives.
     
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    Russia invaded Ukraine not the other way around. Every death and all the suffering is exclusively because the invading Russians started a war of aggression.
     

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