Quit (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about the rich

Okay Albert. Get over me, or ignore me. I'm not 'perfect' (I know), but I'm hardly the hardest person to get along with here.

If you SAY something here, then I'm likely comment upon it (because you said it)... NOT because YOU said it. If you aren't participating here... I won't have anything to say, about what you say.

Look man, I expect FLAK from yourself and others who disagree with me; that's no different than ANY other forum I've been to. Some agree and some don't. You think my commentary sucks (or something similar to that), others do not.

So be it.

 

We constantly overlook how some of the wealthy and powerful are simply sociopaths. Only their WEALTH covers for that (as best it can), via PR. Sometimes, the truth and real perspectives get out... as it does with Romney. Remember, we weren't supposed to see it confirmed that many of the wealthy DO think exactly the way Romney does. But when one of those sociopaths is running for President... they get closely looked-at. As I suggested above, the flaws in their armor aren't covered 'perfectly' by their wealth or power.

Welcome to reality.

 

How did you reach your conclusion in an economy where it only takes money to make money?

Simply increasing our tax burden while lowering taxes on the wealthy will not do what you suggest.

 

In many cases, even buying products with a Made in USA label still isn't buying an American product. Why ? Because many of these companies employ illegal aliens or legal aliens here on work visas. The foreigners get the jobs (same as a job overseas), and they send most of their pay $$ to their home country, so it goes into THAT countries economy, not the US (same as a job overseas). This domestic outsourcing (AKA immigration) is a large part of the outsourcing problem. These jobs need to "be brought back" also, by having a moratorium on immigration. Only the jobs we really can't fill should go to immigrants. Only other immigrants who should be allowed in are those bringing large amounts of capital, to create jobs FOR AMERICANS, at good pay & benefits.

 

Correct.

Those believing that making the rich MORE wealthy will lead to economic prosperity overall... aren't being realistic; stats garnered over at least the last 30+ years bear that out. That on top of the case which can be made for more powerful regulations upon the financial industry.

 

The amount of jobs created by legal immigrants would make your head spin dummy...

Letting talent in the US creates wealth dude, if americans aren't competent enough to compete with the talent flowing in, they go away.. American is a better place when the most productive, commpetent employees are in the work force. Companies propser when their employees are better and is an american can't get a job because someone from India, China, latin america is 'better' then so be it... Maybe this competition will make Americans put more emphasis on education, an area where America is weak relative to their power.

The best way to compete against this influx of foreign talent taking jobs away from Americans is for Americans to improve themselves. This is good for America overall.... these foreigners have gotten their jobs cause they are better, they have created wealth, jobs, built companies and challenging Americans to improve in areas of education and work ethic.

 

That is true. Many products have at least some foreign parts and some factories have immigrants working in them and many of these immigrants send part of their pay check home. Still there are many American parts in them or they can't be labeled made in America and we still have plenty of Americans working in American factories. Those parts made here also employ many American workers. America makes out much better if the product is made here, than we do if it's made abroad and shipped here. One only has to look at the balance of trade before and after NAFTA and Free Trade and the number of jobs we had before and after. Especially Middle Class jobs.

We have thousands of rail box cars coming into America loaded with foreign goods. Do you know what most of them are filled with going back? Mostly scrapped paper and cardboard. That is one of our biggest exports to China and Japan. How many people does it take to make scrapped paper and cardboard?

 

Let me ask you a question, without money, who's going to buy what here?

Lets go back only a few months ago. Canada offered to build a pipeline, to send oil to your country. That would have created thousands of jobs, created savings in crude oil costs, and YOUR President turned it down. Now we are selling it to China, cause they wanted it. Now what do you think is going to happen, when they sell that crude oil back to the US? Think that is going to be costing your country more then just jobs??? Heck yeah, and you want to make the Rich, Poor? So there is an 'equal' opportunity? Guess what, the more you screw around with the countries economics, the less money you will have. Want to force out all the Rich Companies in your countries? China will take them, and then guess where you will be? IN A WELFARE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Why? Cause Obama doesn't own anything. He doesn't own money, or the country, or the products that the 'EVIL' corporations make. Without, these products, the US will be nothing, and you will have nothing, and get nothing. Oh and if you think that the cost of fuel is equal no matter where you get it from, what do you think the cost will be to ship it to your country, from China, the next power house in the world? They will rape your country dry, and when you owe them enough, they will take your land. Only a fool would believe that nothing can happen to them. You don't want military, you don't want economy, and you don't want your land, if you believe half the garbage you type here.

Oh, and what do you think your favourite President is doing? He is selling your land away, piece by piece. He failed to remove soldiers from Afghanistan, since they are still there, and you think, he is telling you the truth about what his plans are??? Gimme a break.

 

Poor rich people. They don't pay their workers well, they view them as disposable pee-ons that didn't help with "Building That". Then when the workers refuse to work hard for someone that doesn't show them respect they outsource. Then their taxes go up to pay for the unemployment of the workers they fired. Then they complain. Poor rich people.

 

1. Do you need reading lessons ? (dummy) Or glasses ? I acknowledged that it is a GOOD IDEA to allow immigrants in who create jobs. Here's the statement again > "Only other immigrants who should be allowed in are those bringing large amounts of capital, to create jobs FOR AMERICANS, at good pay & benefits." The ones I don't want in are the one who are NOT filling any need we have, or bringing capital to open businesses and create jobs. Get it ? Pheeeeewww!!! (high-pitched whistle).

2. BULL. These foreigners are NOT getting jobs because they're better, and they're NOT BETTER. They are just CHEAPER, and work for less, often off the books, and without benefits. Everyone knows this. Your post is a laughingstock.

 

Sure. I'm not arguing against making things in the US, in fact I'm very much for it. I'm just pointing out that in those particular companies where foreigners are employed, they are outsourcing also. Foreigners getting jobs instead of Americans, and foreign economies getting the wage $$, instead of the US economy.

The correct scenario is make stuff here in the USA, but by Americans, not foreigners.

 

He only declined the pipeline so as not alienate the environmental VOTE. In America, a lot of things are done by politicians not by what is good for the country, but rather by what they perceive to be good for them politically (to garner the most VOTES)

 

The protectionist wackos and fake patriots on this board never fail to amuse me. Free trade allows corporate American to expand their foot prints all over the world. In the last three decades, corporate American expand its operation faster than any other countries. IBM, NIKE, PEPSI, P&G, J&J, McDonald, Starbucks...etc...just name a few, they're making tons of money in foreign markets. MGM and Las Vegas Sands Corp literally takes over entire Macau gambling industry. Whether you wackos like it or not, this is global trade era. You either have to adapt to it or you die. There are always two side of any trade, winning and losing. There is no such thing as everyone deserves a trophy in your fantasy little world. Crying and whining won't change that reality.

 

Average American wage = 20$ an hour

Average Chinese wage = 82 cents an hour


****!!!!

 

Accompanied by the destruction of the west's middle class, which is what built corporate America.

Its all good though, now that the credit bubble is gone to hide the destruction of sustainable consumption, your house of cards is about to tumble!

 

The correct solution is what we used to do, which is protect the level of labor needed to support our economy, and use the rest to encourage free trade.

Where this idea came from that you don't have to look out for yourself is beyond me!

 

Of course you can, you can earn more, and then put them in their place...

 

This is one big reasons wages here have been held down. It's hard to compete when they are making the same stuff abroad for pennys on the dollar.

 

NAFTA and trade with the likes of China and etc. would be fine if we had tacked on requirements for a min.wage in their country and environmental rules. But to just open the door to them as we did, we stood no chance in competing with the likes of 40-80 cents an hour and all the regulations we require. Sure we would have still lost companies, but not nearly as many as we have. We screwed ourselves big time with those trade agreements.

 

In any case and in my view... Obama will do better than Romney ever would. That is clear to many.

 

Yes indeed, and how anyone can look at how those trade agreements were passed, and still vote for a Republican or Democrat, is again completely beyond my understanding.

Maybe someone that called themselves a R or D, but said they would have nothing to do with the same RNC and DNC, that brought us the current state of our nation..........on second thought no, D's and R's should be treated like Nazi's and Communists in this country if we had any sense.

 

Even better:

Average Chinese wage = 82 cents per hour

Average cost of American health care = 6$ per hour

 

I have been saying for years the problems we have in this country has almost all been brought on by our own government. They try and help out business or help out the poor and all tey have done is make things worse. Or they have allowed countries to shut us out of their markets while allowing them full access to ours. We lost several of our biggest industries because of that. We would be in much better shape today if government had just kept their hands off. And required other nations to be treated as they treat us. Japan got away with murder and they were the beginning of our downfall.

 

How does that work in one of the largest economies in the world, even with illegal immigration?

Doesn't that suggest that it is not immigration, but mediocre public policy decisions on the part of our elected representatives that is the problem; since, we were even able to run massive federal surpluses during the dot com boom, even with illegal immigration.