Quit worrying about the rich and worry about yourself

Taking Campaign Promises Seriously: Remember Renegotiating NAFTA?






Friday, 20 January 2012 06:06






Ezra Klein tells us today that candidates take campaign promises seriously. I haven't reviewed the research, but it is easy to identify some important campaign promises that President Obama made over the course of his campaign that he clearly has not taken seriously while in office.

His pledge to renegotiate NAFTA was important in gaining support from manufacturing workers in many key primary states. This pledge was clearly never taken seriously once he got in the White House.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs...omises-seriously-remember-renegotiating-nafta

 

Well you can bet it wasn't any politician. The Democrats must have liked it enough to pass it.

I am sure it was written up by lawyers from the US, Mexico and Canada.

The lies are you saying Democrats have never talked of redistributing the wealth.

 

Amen, brother...

 

Yeah ignore the voting tally if it helps your ego. It seems a greater number of top Republicans voted for it.

Good grief, go ahead and argue against the obvious with someone else.

 

I didn't ignore the count. I posted the the vote count. I said it was initiated under Reagan with Canada before and pushed with Mexico under Bush. I have not said Republicans did not vote for it. They voted for it more than Democrats. But the fact is, Democrats voted for it too and it wouldn't have passed unless a good number of them voted for it. I know the Left would like to put all the blame for NAFTA and Free Trade on Republicans, but that just isn't so.

 

Let me save you some suspense, this issue has been brought up by you, making constant and more importantly, invalid or misleading statements in regards to its support.

You started this personal thread by taking shots at Democrats and Liberals, and believe me, if I was starving and naked in the streets I wouldn't take one red cent from the likes of your ilk, knowing full well I would never live to hear the end of it.

I make very good money because I did go to school and worked hard. Being single and a consultant I pay more taxes than anyone except the real money earners. Yet I don't complain about it, because if that helps the US, then I will work an extra hour week. Maybe that's the difference between Liberals and Conservatives, or Democrats and Republican, or Christians and et al.

Again, let me save you the suspense, neither Democrats, Republicans, Liberals or Conservatives determine my earnings. If life changes where I have to put out more, as has happened in the past few years, I do it, because my boss doesn't care what party I belong to, it is what I contribute to work. And as long as I do that, your little pathetic lesson means you know what.

 

I'm not sure who is smarter, the productive folks who provide jobs and earn wealth for themselves and provide a living for the middle class or the democrat politicians who take from the producers and buy votes with the producers money?

 

What invalid or misleading statements have I made and concerning what? You need to be more specific Robert.

I started this over the constant complaining of how much money the rich have and how little the poor have. That's all you hear out of them. I have tried to show that most of the poor are that way because of the choices they make. You don't have to make a lot of money to live half way decently. I never made big money and had only a lousy GED education and still live a decent life. I don't complain about how much the rich make. I don't care what they make. I could have paid to go to school and got a better education but was stupid and didn't. But I did other things to get by and every one on here that is able to work can do the same thing. I didn't do anything that you can call a lucky break. It was just showing up to work every day and working hard and doing what my in-laws taught me. No one can say well you were lucky, you had this or that happen. No I didn't. Lucky had nothing to do with it. By God if I can make it with the lowly education I have, anyone can make themselves a decent life if they are able to work. People need to quit worrying what others have and worry about how they can earn what they want. Sorry if that hits many in the wrong place Robert.

That's great and I have no complaints against people like you. You did what you had to to get ahead. Much better than I did.

 

Yeah you do, you consider me a Democrat and a Liberal. Republicans were the majority vote for NAFTA.

Sorry Marine, but this thread seems like a cry of desperation.

 

Show me where I ever said that Democrats were the majority to vote for NAFTA Robert, I never said that. I said the leaders of the Democratic Party pushed hard to get it passed.

If it cries for desperation it is those that always want to complain at what others have and what they don't have. I only tried to show them ways they can have a decent life too without being rich.

 

Oh for Pete's sake, you have ranting about "who was in office", the "Democrats pushed for this", I mean seriously let this go before it gives you heartburn.

 

You can't be any more sick of it than I am hearing them (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about a tax increase.

 

Yeah... I used to be for the whole welfare thing because I thought "hey, these people need a little help when things get tough"...

But then I realized that a certain relative of mine that will not be named actually WASN'T looking for a job and had no plans to stop collecting unemployment. Then when she LOST that unemployment through an idiotic mistake, she magically found a job within a couple of weeks because (gasp) she actually seriously looked for one.


It's not that I'm against welfare... it's just that I'm against welfare that isn't temporary for anyone but the disabled and retired elderly.

 

Was here unemployment comp roughly the same as she was earning? Here in Florida you only get a certain percentage of your previous income to try to avoid incentivizing that. There are no perfect set of rules that will eliminate all game playing. You just have to attempt to strike a balance between providing assistance to those who really can't find a job and those who will try to game the system.

 

You bet I did when another poster asked me for proof when I said the Democrats were just as responsible as Republicans for this economy. I tried to show that since it seems the Left always want to blame Republicans for it. Go back and look. I believe the poster that asked for the proof was Iriemon.

Excuse me if I can't get back right away as my Grand Daughter is wanting to use the computer for her home work.

 

Must be the folks who at the top 1%, by far.

 

Pay attention in school, go to college and study something businesses find valuable. Don't spend more than you have. Don't borrow more than you can afford. Don't get involved with irresponsible people(AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS) and marry a smart person who shares your values.

A very simple template for a successful life.

 

Judging by liberal posts, I'd say there are a lot of stupid people here too.

 

Quit with the MSM talking point propaganda. You know (*)(*)(*)(*) well that Romney paid taxes on his money when he earned it and is paying on it again as he uses it.

 

"Money you don't need"? Who are you to decide how much someone strives to have?

 

This Robert is how it all started on who is to blame for this economy.

Marine1
Get off of trying to put all the blame on Republicans. The Democrats are just as much to blame for this economy as the Republicans are, if not more. Your ignorant of history if you don't know that. There is no innocent parties in this.


Quote Originally Posted by Marine1 View Post
Get off of trying to put all the blame on Republicans. The Democrats are just as much to blame for this economy as the Republicans are, if not more. Your ignorant of history if you don't know that. There is no innocent parties in this.

Iremon said,

 

I think Robert before you go blaming me for talking about how the Democrats are also responsible for this economy, you should know how the whole thing started. Why should I go blaming the Republican's too when it was already pointed out to me it was all the Republicans fault and I was asked what the Democrats did? I had already said both Parties were responsible. Before that I only complained about the Democrats complaining about the rich. I did what I was asked to do.

 

I was not part of that thread segment, I corrected you about NAFTA, period, so enough already.

 

You were wrong in correcting me about NAFTA too Robert, I never said the Democrats voted for it more than Republicans did. I only said they pushed hard for it, As a matter of fact I think I said the leaders pushed hard for it.

 

And as I have just shown, it was pushed hard by the top Democrats. They took pride in passing it.