Racism

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by mak2, Dec 9, 2014.

  1. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    So people that "could be correct" don't get called racist? I'm sure I could not find you doing that. What was your definition of racism again? In your haste to scream "racist" at your opponents you kind of forgot to successfully debate the point at issue.
     
  2. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    It shows what it shows, and there never was any debate on the definition of racism, you just decided to try and make one to cover your own embarrassment of being racist.
     
  3. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    You're just making cheap ad hominem arguments. Why not just state your definition of racism? You don't have one?
     
  4. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    You do not KNOW where Obama was born. No record has ever been turned over to any controlling legal authority.

    Besides, it does not matter where he was born, it is the classification of his birth which he claims that is the problem,

    The BC is a forgery, it is only bits and bytes in a computer which can not be used as any legal document anywhere.

    Natural Born citizen requires citizen parents and born on U.S. soil without any foreign allegiance such as dual citizenship

    The definition of Article II Section 1 Clause 5 is consistent with:


    1. According to the founding documents,
    2. referenced Vattel in the Constitution
    3. possession of Vattel by the Framers for reference
    4. copious writings of common language as understood at the time
    5. notes of the Constitution Convention as recorded by James Madison,
    6. correspondence between Founding Fathers discussing drafts at the Convention,
    7. multiple Supreme Court cases
    8. actions by recent Congress to modify the NBC clause

    The definition is clear. The inauguration of B. Hussein Obama was allowed to occur out of fear of what we would have as we now have in Ferguseon and around the nation. White guilt and extortion.
     
  5. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    You said that all of the dictionary definitions were correct than ran away when I asked you to reconcile their meanings. Now it's "there is no debate because you are racist". That about sums it up. You won't debate because you can't debate, because you are wrong, and probably anti-White.
     
  6. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Got to love the way your cherry pick in order to have anything to say. I'd suggest comprehension classes but that would be pointless.

    I'll try to make it a little simpler for you, however I am not sure if I can make it simple enough.

    A study showing the differences in people based on characteristics is, in itself, not racist .. it is how that study is used, to use a study in order to demean others purely to suggest they are inferior is racist .. it is what you do.

    Already given, that you choose to ignore it is your failing not mine. I cannot help the fact that you are the perfect match for the dictionary definition.

    Hmm, to scream or shout I would have to have posted racist like this .. RACIST, as I didn't then you are blowing bubbles out of your ass yet again.
    The point of issue was the definition of racism, and do you fit that definition, without a shadow of doubt you do

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    Already have .. oh and they are only "cheap ad hominem arguments." if they are not true, in your case they are true.
     
  7. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    So let's sum up.

    A: What is the definition of racist?

    B: It's a vague term applied to anyone who talks about race which one person subjectively doesn't like, true or not.

    C: No it has this restricted dictionary meaning. Here's three dictionary definitions.

    B: Those definitions contradict each other and are unclear. Can you clarify the meaning of this one?

    C: You're a racist.

    B: You're dodging the question. It's ironic in this context.

    C: You're a racist. The debate is "is B a racist". I win the debate.

    B: facepalm...
     
  8. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    Again it's irrelevant what I do. Let's say for the sake of argument I murder non-Whites at random. Happy? Does this change the definition of racism, the thread title?

    You say "demeaning others" is racism. As I was questioning you before you ran away and started name calling is that groups or individuals? If I say "Chinese are not good sprinters in general" does that count as demeaning?
     
  9. Egalitarianjay02

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    I don't KNOW where anyone was born unless I witnessed it. That's a moot point. All of the credible evidence indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii. Challenging this and putting the burden of proof on Obama is absurd. For instance how do I know that YOU are a natural-born citizen? Are you willing to put a copy of your birth certificate on the internet?

    If you refuse then I will use the same logic as the birthers and not acknowledge your alleged natural-born status.

    Being born in the United States is the only qualification a person needs to be a natural-born citizen. This matter was actually reviewed in a court of law and it was determined that Obama was a natural-born citizen even if he had dual citizenship from his father.

    Where is your evidence that Obama's Birth Certificate is a forgery? Here's my evidence that it's authentic.

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    Again this matter was reviewed in a court of law and the dual citizenship argument was determined to be a bogus claim.

    http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=4241872982218861474

    "Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are 'natural born Citizens' for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents." Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Ind.App., Nov 12, 2009) 916 N.E.2d 678 at 688

    Obama is the democratically elected President of the United States. This birther nonsense is a pathetic attempt to disqualify Obama based on a technicality. It didn't work. Obama is a natural-born citizen and you people really need to get over this.

    Just like the birther issue the question of whether you a racist came up over the course of the thread.

    We established two things:

    1. Racism has a coherent definition and utility as a word.

    2. You are a racist.
     
  10. NaturalBorn

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    Please supply this supposed credible evidence. My birth certificate IS on the internet. I am a hobbyist genealogist.


    Obama has never presented any birth certificate to any legal controlling authority, nor has any court heard the case against Obama. The SCOTUS has heard citizenship cases and ruled against your position more than once.
    >>>MOD EDIT: INSULT<<<



    Do you understand ANYTHING about the law. Try showing a computer image of your photo ID on you cell phone the next time you try to sneak into a bar or get on a plane or to the officer who pulls you over in a traffic stop and see what happens. Have you ever heard of PhotoShop?



    >>>MOD EDIT: INSULT<<<
     
  11. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    Obama Timeline everything you do and do not want to know about B. Hussein Obama Jr.
     
  12. Egalitarianjay02

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    OK so post your birth certificate in this thread.




    I supplied a court document showing that the question of Obama's citizenship has been reviewed, by several states in fact and not a single one rejected his eligibility to be on the ballot.


    Prove that Obama's certificate of live birth was photoshopped.

    That you're a racist. I personally find racists to be biased, untrustworthy and immoral. If that's ok with you so be it.
     
  13. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    That's a lie. Post the Court's ruling if you have it.
    http://wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/
    I find people abhorant and liars who accuse other people of anything without knowing who they.
     
  14. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    Full press conference

    [video=youtube_share;alVzyfptF80]http://youtu.be/alVzyfptF80[/video]

    Short conclusion.

    [video=youtube_share;jgTZUVpb3dk]http://youtu.be/jgTZUVpb3dk[/video]
     
  15. Egalitarianjay02

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    I already did. Go ahead and read it.

    Nice. Another conspiracy theory website....

    You admitted that you are a racist without me accusing you of anything. My comment was directed at Mikemikev who was confirmed to be a racist through his post history.
     
  16. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    I am a racist! I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!I am a racist!

    There are you happy now? That still does not change the fact that Obama is not a natural born citizen and may not even be an American citizen at all.
     
  17. rayznack

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    Gets popcorn.

    So what is the coherent definition of racism that mikemikev didn't debunk?
     
  18. Egalitarianjay02

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    Obama is a natural-born citizen and only far-right lunatics deny this.

    The third definition that I supplied in my first post in this thread (racism is hatred or intolerance of another race or other races) is the coherent definition of racism. When I told Mikemikev to explain how he is not a racist based on that definition he chose to ignore me.
     
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    I chose to ignore your diversionary ad hominem framing of the question. And no, the definition you offer is not how the word is used.
     
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    I did not commit an ad hominem attack. I used your post history for evidence that you are a racist since that issue came up and asked you to explain how you are not a racist based on the definition I supplied.

    Most people use the word racist to imply that a person is discriminating against others based on race. That is consistent with the definition I supplied. Denying the existence of a word defined in the dictionary and in common usage within the language you speak is absurd.

    Imagine if someone denied that they were a rapist and argued that the word has no meaning therefore they did not commit a crime. That's essentially what you are doing. Next you'll be denying that there are liars, thieves, perverts and any other form of immoral behavior just because you don't want to be associated with the word.
     
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    I think that those who can be demonstrated to lie regarding important questions should be executed.
     
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    E.g. Tom Lantos - executed.
     
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    Did you look at the evidence you asked for of a PhotoShop document?
     
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    HINT EVERYONE: Just, say you are a racist and they are then disarmed. That is all they have as a 'weapon' since the facts are not in their favor.
     
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    Yes and I was not convinced. I'm not an expert on photoshop so I can't critique the argument being made but I can appeal to reason regarding the absurdity of the claim. First of all with all of the Obama campaign's resources why would they need to photoshop a document?

    If they can get all of these credible people to lie about the Birth Certificate including the Hawaii Department of Health and Newspapers where the birth announcement was made then why can't they simply have a Birth Certificate manufactured that looks no different from an authentic Birth Certificate? If they are that resourceful and influential then they don't need photoshop.

    The whole idea that Obama was somewhere else besides Hawaii when he was born is ridicolous. Obama's parents lived in Hawaii at the time. There is no reason to believe that Obama's mother was anywhere else but Hawaii when he was born and there are birth announcements in newspapers confirming his local birth. These newspapers get their information directly from hospitals. There is no reason to believe Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere else which means based on logic his Birth Certificate is authentic.

    I think that these people playing with Photoshopped making these claims about analyzing layers and whatever else they did to show images on the Birth Certificate were photoshopped are simply lying and taking advantage of gullible people who know nothing about the program.

    The topic of this thread is not Obama's natural-born status it is whether racism can be defined. We have defined it. The word is in the dictionary. The word is in common use in the English language. There is no reason to whine about the use of the word unless you simply don't like being called a racist. I don't care if you don't like the word it's a word that accurately describes certain individuals who discriminate based on race. And it's not used as a weapon to stifle debate. You can be a racist and make valid arguments but in my experience racists are often wrong about what they argue about because they are extremely biased and have poor critical thinking skills.
     

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