Rampant rape in US military.

400 is not a significant number when you consider hundreds of thousands of women have served.

 

Why is it that military professionals have difficulty with any martial Arts that may ameliorate the situation, for themselves, to some extent?

I can understand the military wanting to keep it mostly to themselves.

Would the same persons behave in the same manner, if there were an equivalent to that form of marque or reprisal, that could be used to hone professional military skills?

 

Expect thousands more.

 

Another generation of duped Yanks returns home .
To do what ?
TO GO MAD , like the ex- Vietnam forgotten ?
To be denied by the Land of Fatties ?
Conned and discarded

 

Expect sexual assaults wherever men are encouraged in their objectification of others.

 

It's about time you said something sensible.

 

What a charming fellow you must be in real life!

 

Even 10,000 would be a small number considering it would probably only represent 5 percent or less than all women who have served in the military.

 

Sexual harrasment and sexual abuse is a problem...and it occurs in both civilian and military life. I believe there is a correlation between those who have hostility towards females who have chosen the profession of arms, which is a male dominated profession, and sexual harrasment. There is no excuse for it and the military needs a stronger policy against it and stronger enforcement of existing regulations contained within the UCMJ. I don't believe in making a complete indictment of the military as an institution which condones this sort of behavior, however.

 

Why should we expect some women to fall for some tricks more than thrice, especially in the military?

 

Whatexactly do you want them to do about it that they are already not doing? As it is, we get briefings and mandatory training where it is ponded into our heads. The policy the military has on sexual harassment is to the point where simply looking at a woman in what she perceives as sexual, and it is unwanted, you get reported for it. In these training sessions men are made out to be psycho sex fiends who just can't help themselves. I feel like I have been already convicted of sexual harassment just by sitting in the training sessions.

So what do you want them to do about it? Post security forces personell at females desks, in front of their dorm rooms and to walk them out to their car. Then wham a man she does not like approaches her, they will be arrested?

Men are not the only ones that need to go thru training. Women should also go thru training on how to protect themselves from sexual harassment. Like, don't get drunk and go crazy with a group of guys, don't dress like a prostitute, don't let a guy believe you are leading them on.. be fairly clear you are not interested instead of being nice. There are lots of things females could do to prevent from outing themselves in a situation where they could be sexually assaulted. In no way is it their fault even if they do all the above, but its like attaching raw meat to your body and jumping into a lions cage.. is the lion a savage for tearing you up, or is he just hungry?

 

I think, it's difficult to make a judgement from this amount of information. Rape is always abhorent, but it also happens outside the military. This story will only have particular significance if it turns out the rate is markedly higher than normal.

Just as an aside tho, my personal feeling is that one would hope the incidence of rape would be less ... not more, since these guys are supposed to be fighting side by side, bonded by blood and all that.

wait and see I guess, anything else is pure speculation

 

The problem here is not so easy.

I have met, indeed worked for many of the generals that make these policies.

There is not a single one of the bunch that would condone rape in the slightest. Most, scratch that, they ALL find it abhorrent.

That is one of the reasons that have mandated reporting.

#1 - the ass clowns that do this have no business wearing the uniform. If they do it once, they will do it again. The military will remove them, but only AFTER a small stint in a place called Leavenworth.

#2 - there is a victim here. If it happens (and it happens to both men and women), the victim needs proper counseling, treatment, etc. She also needs to know that what happened was wrong, her perpetrator held accountable.

That policy leaves you open to trolls and malcontents. So be it. It rather have a half retard on my conscience than a rape victim.

 

Of course, blame the woman...she deserved it afterall leading those guys on like that. They should issue burkas for them to wear in lieu of a uniform. Another thing, sarcasm aside, nowhere in my post did I differentiate between women and men, in other words men are victims of sexual assault in the military also. This does occur with greater frequency to women, but men are not immune to being victims also. As many as 15% of female Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have shown sexual trauma as revealed in their treatment of PTSD. In terms of addressing the problem, I recommend amending Article 32 of the UCMJ to permit commanders to close the proceedings to protect the privacy of victims and alleged offenders. Many of these sexual assaults are under reported because the victim is afraid of repercussions. Keeping the proceedings confidential will ensure the victim and the alleged retain their privacy. Another way to address the problem is accountability, take the victims' allegations seriously and follow through. I'm not talking about powerpoint presentations and videos, I'm talking court martials and dishonorable discharges. I'm talking time at Ft. Leavenworth if the crime is severe enough and rape is a serious and severe crime. Let the alleged have a fair hearing, but investigate it with due diligence; not dismiss it with the usual "boys will be boys" horse (*)(*)(*)(*). Let them laugh and joke about it in Federal prison.

 

As I expected, a reply that blames me for blaming the woman. No where in the post did I blame the woman for the rape. Regardless of the situation she puts herself in, does not give a man the right to force himself on to her. I am simply stating, that like self defense classes taught to women to defend themselves from muggers, why not teach women some pointers to protect them from a would be sexual predator?

You don't know how many times I have witnessed a female drunk amoung a group of guys, going around to each of them and flirting with them to get attention. Some women put themselves in situations that can invite a sexual predator to take advantage of. Those are the kind of situations they should be taught to avoid. Just as a theif exploits thouse who carelessly leave their things laying around, a sexual predator exploits women who make them easier pray. It certainly is not the fault of the person who's things have been taken, but most would agree that leaving your valuables laying around is inviting that type of person.

 

I know of one case that occured in '91, during Gulf War I. A female officer made a formal complaint that she was raped....the military's response in part was giving her birth control pills. An insinuation that it wasn't a rape at all, it was consensual. Those kind of responses are unacceptable and briefings don't solve the problem...

 

We agree on one thing, briefings don't do a thing to prevent it. Its just like DUI briefings. I have heard commanders say time and time again "last week I stood here and talked to all of you about DUI and the person that got the DUI was in this room". You are not going to stop stupid people from making bad decisions. Just as you won't stop a sexual predator from harming someone. Best thing you can do is give the as little opportunity to do so, just as you would a their. Lock your doors, carry around some mace, and don't go walking around in dark places by yourself... these things are fairly common sense. Why don't they apply to sexual assault and women?

 

Any soldier who rapes another soldier needs to be just shot, as any rapist does. We had two females in our entire platoon and our platoon was separated from our unit and placed with another. We were extremely protective of both of them.

 

Can't say I'd agree with a rape victim being charged for failing to report it, but there's a lot about the military I don't understand or agree with

 

Because we do more than just 'brief' the troops, don't we?

We have mandatory programs that require DoD approved classes to be taught by a trained instructor that includes training about warning signs and indications that something is amiss, the madatory reporting requirement (if you know and do nothing, the US Military will prosecute you as an acessory to the crime itself), as well as numerous reporting channels for suspected incidents, and finally a pleathora of services for victims that all be accessed through the military's onesource.

Now, how many civilians get mandatory training like this once a quarter?

 

How many civilians find themselves in a position to rape and torture with relative impunity.

 

THe rape victim is not. Her chain of command, who knows and does nothing about it? Yep, they are charged with crimes.

Its not hard to understand.

 

Based on the thousands of rapes per year? A lot.

You think we don't charge rapists in the military? Are you that daft and irresponsible in your dissent?

 

From post #1;

Rape in the US military: America's dirty little secret

A female soldier in Iraq is more likely to be attacked by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire


Since the lawsuit became public in February, 400 more have come forward, contacting attorney Susan Burke who is leading the case. These are likely to be future lawsuits. Right now they are anxiously awaiting a court ruling to find out if the lawsuit will go to trial. The defence team for the department of defence has filed a motion to dismiss the case, citing a court ruling, dating back to 1950, which states that the government is not liable for injury sustained by active duty personnel. To date, military personnel have been unable to sue their employer.

Whether or not the case goes to trial, it is still set to blow the lid on what has come to be regarded as the American military's dirty little secret.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...pe-us-military

 

muslim men in islamo countries can rape any woman they can catch. For Moon pie and the rest of the islamoites to even get in on this discussion is pretty funny. All 12 year old girls in this trash countries live in fear that one of the uncles will rape them. Islamoism is to sleep with the devil.