Record 95,102,000 Americans Not in Labor Force;

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  1. rahl

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    Can you prove this claim?
     
  2. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course, I backed it up above. The Obama legacy is fudged unemployment numbers and Part time Jobs. Companies don't want to have people going over 30 hours, and have to pay for their Obamacare.
     
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    Well no you didn't, as Ron star demonstrated. And no, the unemployment numbers are not fudged, lol. Unemployment is calculated the same way it has beenfor decades.

    What companies are those?
     
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    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just because something may or may not have been done for decades, doesn't mean it's an honest record Rahl , lol.

    http://www.gallup.com/opinion/chairman/181469/big-lie-unemployment.aspx

    Now with that in mind, and of course the OP informing us that almost 1/3 of our population are not in the labor force...well, certainly you shouldn't be cheering about the numbers. They're fudged.


    Was supplied in the link above Rahl. if you were really reading things, and not just here to Troll, you wouldn't be asking this. many were mentioned as examples in the prior link.

    Stop trolling.
     
  5. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The Social Security program can be fixed with less than 1 hour's work. And it should also dump all of the Cubans who get it as soon as they step foot in Florida.
     
  6. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with some but not all of what you say. I don't feel like writing a novel in response so I'll focus on your first few sentences.

    "Yes, he presided over an economy devastated by increasing robotics and automation, open borders for illegal cheap labor and offshoring to slave labor "

    Robotics and automation have been with us a very long time now but I agree with your open borders for cheap labor comment. You left out the Democratic side of this though which is open borders for potential Democrat votes. As for shipping jobs out for slave labor I agree and Trump ran on stopping this along with closing our borders.
     
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    Just refuting your claim that unemployment rate is fudged.



    Opinion piece.

    Nonsense. Children, high schoolers, college students, stay at home moms and retirees shouldn't be counted, and never have been.




    So you can't name the companies. Thanks.
     
  8. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Except that you haven't done that at all.

    Deflecting.

    Talk about nonsense. They certainly are and have been counted. Why are you making things up Rahl?

    https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

    and more:

    Fudged numbers.

    it's not my responsibility to repeat what I already gave. You can scroll back a couple pages if interested. But we both know you're just trolling, so you wont.
     
  9. rahl

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    Of course I have. Unless you can show Obama has changed the way unemployment has been calculated?



    .

    Correctly pointing out it's an opinion piece.

    No, they haven't been and are not counted.

    That's in the U6 rate. The official unemployment rate is the U3.


    So you can't support your claim. Thanks.
     
  10. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Goalposts moving.

    Deflecting is all you are doing.

    I just showed you they are included with the link from the BLS. now you're simply lying and trolling.

    Irrelevant. they're counted. You said they aren't, and never have been. You were wrong.

    I already did when I posted it, you simply cant or wont read it. Not my responsibility to repost it. Scroll back and click the link.
     
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    Uh, my argument has remained the same. So no goalposts have been moved.


    You were attempting to pass off an opinion piece as hard evidence. I called you on it.



    They are not counted in the U3.



    Lol, not irrelevant at all. official unemployment rate does not count students, nor should it.

    No, you claimed companies. You didn't support this statement.
     
  12. RichT2705

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    Moved, clearly.

    the facts presented within the article are hard facts. It needs more than you "refuting it" without any shred of evidence to back you up. Show where he used the wrong numbers perhaps?


    more moving goalposts. Your original post did not state U3 or U6...you made a blanket statement that certain segments were never counted. You were wrong. You are now trying to backpeddle and move the goalposts rather than admit it.

    I gave you the official link Rahl. Care to show me on that link where it differentiates between U6 and U3 as you are now trying to flail to?



    It was stated in the links you refuse to read. Not my problem. I presented them. if you don't want to read them, then don't...but stop trolling. it was presented.
     
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    Firmly in place where they have always been



    Opinion piece which contradicts BLS official figures. It's meaningless.




    I have not moved anything. We are discussing the unemployment rate. U6 is not the unemployment rate.



    Students, retirees, stay at home moms etc are not counted in the unemployment rate, nor should the be Rich. What are you having trouble understanding?





    So you can't support your claim. Thanks.
     
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    Can you prove that claim Rahl, with the official figures you claim are different?

    Can you prove the link I gave you is not the official rate Rahl?

    I have trouble understanding what makes you think you can just type whatever you want, without anything to document it and that people are supposed to believe it over actual links and sources. I proved to you they ARE counted Rahl, with an actual link from the BLS.
    Therefore what I presented has more weight than your opinions.

    You choosing not to read it, is not me failing to support it. I did support it when I posted it. If you keep trolling you'll get reported.
     
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    If it helps you all, I'll get my 100 year old grandmother an account on indeed. She needs to get a job.
     
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    I think you're a little high. The current 20-24 year olds will enter the market and there are fewer in the group following them. Even though the economy is going to struggle some I hope they can't screw it up that much that fast. Besides, Republicans have a history of hiring federal employees and running up the deficits to cover the shortfall in private industry. Trump has already said he'd hire another 10000 border patrol agents.
    They did do their part though by allowing over a 100 federal judge seats to remain empty for as much as two years and that empty supreme court seat saved a ton of money.

    I predict 110,000,000 with the debt topping 30 trillion USD.
     
  18. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    With $6 a gallon gas and no health care or food stamps. It's going to be great!
     
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    This shift is age demographics was predicted 40 yrs ago, and since then, each Congress has kicked this can down the road to where we are.
     
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    Yes. Your source proved my point.



    Yes. The official rate is under 5%


    You showed they are counted in U6. The unemployment rate is U3

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

    - - - Updated - - -

    Huh? Republicans have had congress for 6 years now. Why have they failed to improve the economy?
     
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    Get with the program.
    If something good happens and there's a Republican congress it's because of them in spite of the Democrat president. If something bad happens it's because of the Democrat president in spite the best efforts of the Republican congress. If there is a Republican president all good can be attributed to him and all bad to Democratic congress. When Congress and the president are Republicans then all good is attributed to them and all bad to the previous administration. If congress and the presidency are held by Democrats then all bad is their doing and all good is the previous administration's initiative coming to fruition.
    How hard is that to understand?
    We're going to hear a lot of "it's because of Obama" the next four years.
    There's going to be a whole lot of things to have to account for.
     
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    Thanks to Obama and Reed
     
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    Yeah drilling more and fracking will raise the price of gas and healthcare and food stamps will all be gone following Granny off the cliff. Do you libs ever stop with this BS ?

    [video=youtube;Z0GFRcFm-aY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY[/video]
     
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    Huh?
    ....
     
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    They passed hundreds of bills that Reid stymied in the Senate or that Obama said he would veto. Nothing could get through
     

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