Record 95,102,000 Americans Not in Labor Force;

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  1. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your source is from a partisan news site so it is not credible; How about a link to a site that is non-partisan?
     
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    Yeah like the Clinton News Network :roflol:
     
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    Yes, Obamacare repeals and useless tax cuts for the rich were rejected, and should be. Why didn't republicans do anything for the economy?
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, that is a partisan site as well. Try again, maybe you'll find an acceptable one.
     
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    [video=youtube;KTwnwbG9YLE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE[/video]
     
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    Seems like every month some right winger posts a thread on this subject and it is immediately discredited by more logical thinking people like you. The right wingers in their hate for President Obama continue to post these nonsensical hate threads but always wind up with pie in their faces. If they would just learn to post the TRUTH they wouldn't get beaten as often as they are.





    No surprise, of course, that in their hatred for the USA, they much prefer having another Bush created Great Recession.
     
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    I just told you Reid held up every bill. Repealing Obamacare alone will help everyone with the economy
     
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    Obamacare is a big drag on the economy

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/12/22/Hidden-Impact-Obamacare-and-Economy
     
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    How does taking away health insurance from 20 million Americans help the economy? Lol
     
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    Sorry I'm not going to play that game. If you question the facts presented in the OP feel free to challenge them.

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    What these leftist don't get is the entire mainstream media is one big partisan news source so screw them and their DNC colluding media
     
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    It's not a game; its about having a credible news source to present the facts; CNS is a conservative based news organization, so it would make common sense for them to put a spin on the story as opposed to objective reporting. If you are not prepared to have a credible news source, then the thread is basically useless to debate.
     
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    The Republicans have had the Congress for 2 years and things have gotten better what on earth are you talking about?
     
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    Well dUH we need an economy that grows to create jobs for that growong population. Under the Democrats we haven't.

    No they aren't counted.

    YES because of overbearing cost and regulations under Democrat policies.

    We year forbthe days of Bush and a REPUBLICAN Congress and 52 months of solid economic growth, full employment AND average LFPR, growing incomes, soaring tax revenues and a paltry $161B deficit. Certainly not what we had after the Democrats took control of the Congress and then Obama got elected.
     
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    4 years. And they've passed virtually no legislation since taking power, and none at all for the economy. The economy was improving well before they took over, thanks to democrat stimulus bills.
     
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    Wrong again they only had control of the Congress and majority control of the government since 2015. Why didn't the Demkcrts do anything beyond their failed stimulus 2008 - 2014 when they had majority control? Why haven't they done anything to fix Obamacare or at least even propose anything?
     
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    theyve had congress since 2010 mid term elections. The stimulus was a demonstrable success. The ACA has been a demonstrable success. The economy has been i,proving, despite republicans best efforts to sabatpge it for political purposes. Dow jones tripled, home prices back to pre recession levels, unemployment under 5%. Millions of new jobs created.
     
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    More fake news. Thats not going to happen

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    Another lie from Mr Truth
     
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    ROFLMAO they most certainly have not had control of the Congress since 2010 go get your facts straight.

    Tell me are you even a citizen here?

    They have both been demjnstrable failures.

    There has been no such sabotaging since the Democrats made no such proposals and after 6 years and barely getting back to that after where their policies took us is certainly nothing tk brag about. Having to create millions of jobs after the failures oof their policies is certainly nothing to brag about.

    Tell me what have the Democrats proposed to fix Obamacare?
     
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    I always love when Republicans bring up the labor participation rate in trying to condemn President Obama because when we address the labor participation rate the only reason it's above 60% is because of Republican anti-labor/pro-business agenda that transformed America from a one-working-member household in the 1950's and 1960's into requiring both adults having to work just to make ends meet financially.

    For "Republicans" that long for the good old days of Ozzie and Harriet and Leave it to Beaver where dad went off to work while mom stayed home to take care of the kids they've done everything possible to destroy that lifestyle of the American Middle Class. It started with the Republican Taft Hartley Act of 1947 (over-riding a Truman veto) that slashed the power of the unions. Not having an immediate effect this was followed by Robert Kennedy purging the unions of organized crime to the point that the unions, that in the mid 1950's represented 35% of the entire private sector work force, lost the power to negotiated against the downward pressure on compensation by 1973 leading us into the era of Republican economic policies.

    Throughout the 1950's and 1960's, in the Leave it to Beaver era, the labor participation rate averaged less than 59%. This was possible because between 1948 and 1973 as US productivity increased by 96.7% the labor unions were able to negotiate increased compensation based upon the increase in productivity and that resulted in an increase of 91.3% in hourly wages.

    With the loss of power of the unions, under constant attack by Republicans with a focus on enterprise without regard for American worker, the necessity of dual-income households increased dramatically soaring to over 67% under the "Supply Side Economics in the Reagan era where real wages for the bottom 50% of all working households declined, with the worst decline by the bottom 10th Percentile that saw real income decline by over 14% between 1979 and 1989.

    Hourly wages continued to slide as the unions became weaker and weaker with the never-ending war being waged by Republican while productivity continued to increase putting more and more money into the pockets of the wealthy and fewer and fewer dollars into the pockets of he workers. Between 1973 and 2014 productivity increased by 72.2% (or 238.7% since 1948) while wages only increased by 9.2% (109.0% since 1948) with most of that income going to the upper middle class workers while lower income workers continued to lose ground financially.

    It wasn't until the Tech boom of the Clinton years that the upward trend in labor participation leveled out and then began to fall slowly but then leveled out again under the Republican administration of President Bush at about 66%. We didn't see the decline again until Obama took office and it's been going down since then but we still haven't been able to make it back to below 60% yet and we're not likely to with Republicans back in control. We can expect it to shoot back up because more and more households are going to require both adults to work just to make a living while the wealthy pocket more and more of the wealth that the workers create each year.

    Ultimately the lower the labor participation rate the better off working Americans are but Republicans seem to be too dumb to realize that. A higher labor participation rate indicates the inability of Americans to pay the bills because of poor compensation for labor.

    If we what the "Leave it to Beaver" and "Ozzie and Harriet" of the "Good Old Days" then we need to re-empower the unions so that they can negotiate increased compensation based upon productivity that balances out the downward pressure of compensation by the market but don't tell Republicans that because it will upset their apple cart by demonstrating how harmful to Americans the Republican economic agenda has been going back to the 1940's and made even worse during the 1980's under Supply Side (trickle down) economics.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate

    http://www.epi.org/publication/unde...-workers-pay-why-it-matters-and-why-its-real/
     
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    You don't seem to understand its the workers who do not want the unions.
     
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    The op number includes everyone 16 and up. High school kids, college kids, retirees... every one of them. It is foolish and self defeating to keep saying otherwise. Feel free to go to bls.gov to confirm.
    No matter how many times you say that won't make it true.
    Unemployment numbers do exclude school kids and retirees which is why it is used as the standard.
     
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    Correct wine induced brain fart.. That being said which is the group that has increased its LFPR?
     
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    So, you can't. Thanks.

    So you can't prove my link was incorrect as you stated, thanks.

    Which ever it is, it doesn't change that you made a blanket statement that didn't mention either when you said they were never counted, and now are trying to backpeddle about U3 and U6. Your original post never mentioned U anything...just a blanket, aren't counted and never were...which I proved false.
     

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