Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?

Well, if you are going to be so adamant in your positive assertion by stating "I said religions are definitely fairy tales, it would be shutting down debate more.", then go ahead and show the PROOF of claim.

 

See what I mean. All you can do is keep spouting your mantra and shift the onus to me to prove your imaginary friend does not exist.

That is a logical fallacy and a dishonest debate tactic because negative cannot be shown to not exist. Only your positive statement can be shown to exists and you are not making your case.

All the while ignoring that the God you spout on about, would have had to pop out of nothing.

We are done as I reject your logical fallacy and dishonest debate. Which is not a debate.

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DL

 

Those who profess to believe in a God of love, while trying to deny others a loving relationships, shows that they are not following a loving path.

Gay do not want special treatment or laws. They just do not want religious bigots and others who discriminate without a just cause preventing them from enjoying the same type of life that you seek.

You seek love yet would deny others the same right. That is pure discrimination and bigotry.

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DL

 

I am actually entirely not religious in the slightest. I just believe that this new found segment of our society who believe in demonizing people of faith are insecure bullies.

Who cares if people believe there is a higher calling, and follow a road map to morality in the name of faith? Why would somebody demonize that? Instead, we have people that can't even raise their damn kids correctly, who DON'T show them faith, who end up being strains on our social fabricate as they never learned how to be a good person. You desire that more than people believing in "fairy tales" which guides them on how to be a compassionate and moral human?

Seems silly to me.

So not only do you make ASSumptions, but you are a real tough guy hiding behind the internet. Got it. You might just be the kind of person I am talking about.

Your hatred is indicative of your lack of moral standing.

You justify the thing you hate. Great job.

Wait, so you do believe in religion? Or only when it suits your agenda?

Sincerely,

Grow up.

 

Gnostic Christians recognize the reality of that quote.

Likely Jews would also buy into it . Think of their Divine Council.

In the order seeking religious world, that is more or less what today we would call a new world order.

There is nothing new under the sun.

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DL

 

I went back to add the "If" to the front of that statement.

But to your question.

Fairy tales often have imaginary constructs that would be impossible to have in our normal world. Goose that lay golden eggs etc..

Christianity, for instance, has a water walking man who can dies and then come back from the dead. We all know that these feats are impossible, and thus that makes Christianity and the bible myth based, and myths are imaginary stories and so are fairy tales.

Believing that fairy tales and myth are history and not fantasy is to go into intellectual dissonance. In the case of Christianity and Islam, it is also to go into moral dissonance as both religions have become immoral due to the homophobia and misogyny that they have institutionalized.

The Emperor has no clothes.

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DL

 

Yes. I am a religionist and think religions do have a place in society but not when they are selling homophobia and misogyny and follow other immoral tenets.

You wrote, "which guides them on how to be a compassionate and moral human?"

You ignore their evil side and the fact that they have oppressed gays and women forever.

You show your own poor morals.

All moral legal systems are based on equality yet you are promoting that we ignore religions that go completely against the law of most moral lands. You might wonder why you do so.

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DL

 

So you desire your personal beliefs and agenda define somebody elses, and if it doesn't, you blame their religion for disagreeing.

Here's a hint. Not everybody is going to agree with you. That's life. That doesn't make them wrong nor you right. It makes it part of being a human.

I can't comprehend why so many people criticize the foundations of other people's beliefs, weather religion or otherwise, because they don't agree with their perspective.

I am not religious. I vehemently oppose abortion. On the other hand, I have absolutely no issue with gay marriage. I oppose capital punishment. I believe in fiscally responsible government.

People don't fit into pretty little boxes. Criticizing faith is a cheap shot for failing to discuss other peoples perspectives. You are attacking what you assume to be the foundation of their beliefs, rather than their beliefs themselves.

No, you are projecting.

You desire to blame what you think drives their perspective, rather than challenge their perspective genuinely and debate them on their perspective, you desire to attempt to invalidate their opinion.

Its the cheap way of having a logical discussion.

I have explained adequately why.

I am not religious. I oppose abortion. I am not a woman hater.

You need to drop the cheap shots and generalizations and actually attempt to understand other people if you really want to lean why other people understand what drives their agenda.

 

Only immoral people will not fight the mainstream religions and their socially damaging policies. My beliefs other than being more moral, are irrelevant.

Your trying to go personal instead of looking at the issues show that your social conscience is skewed toward the immoral.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing, as you suggest.

Regards
DL

 

I think evil people ( and I am not using evil in a religious context ) selectively use religion to promote their own plans for their own reasons. . If they couldn't find something in religion they would probably use philosophy.
Evil use of religion can't really be blamed on religion any more than gun violence can be blamed on guns. It is the flaws in human nature that leads to bad things happening and bad thing will continue to happen with or without religion.

By the way I am Agnostic.

 

True that bad things will happen with or without religions but remember that Christianity and Islam have been the majority religions in the West forever and their institutionalize homophobia and misogyny has been a mill stone around our necks forever.

Look at who held up gay marriage for so long and who still continues to go against every decent legal system by denying women equality.

Fight them when you can because I doubt that your wife, daughters and mother enjoyed being second class citizens thanks to religions.

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DL

 

According to the Philosophy of Science as presented by Berkley University, the only use a scientist has for 'evidence' is to use it for an analysis at refuting or approving a scientific idea. So, considering the evidence you are looking for is not a scientific idea, and more than likely you are not a scientist, then your request for evidence is illogical.

See here: http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/philosophy click on the highlighted word "evidence"
evidence :
Test results and/or observations that may either help support or help refute a scientific idea. In general, raw data are considered evidence only once they have been interpreted in a way that reflects on the accuracy of a scientific idea.

 

Including no new universes.

 

According to your perspective and according to your beliefs. Your beliefs however do not form an obligation that all people are required to accept as true.

As for your closing paragraph. It is some of the people involved in those religions that have gone astray... not the religion itself.

 

Let's be honest; you're only here to mock religious people and God. I know, you can't help it. It's a common trait among atheists.

 

So? the Objective is not replication, the objective is understanding and the application of that knowledge in producing tools and technologies to improve the human condition.

 

Not that we know of.

If we lived in a multiverse, we would not be able to know at this point in time.

Science is getting foolish to me these days in the sense that the have a variety of competing theories where the math works for all of them but no one is proving anything. Multiverse, brane and sting theories all work mathematically so either we have the math wrong or we are just plain wrong in our thinking.

That is not a super bad situation as it forces science to keep digging whereas religion has no place to dig.

This is also good, FMPOV, because then people will concentrate on the immorality of religion and ignore their God of the Gaps.

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DL

 

I do not agree with your last and neither would the new Pope.

If Catholicism, Christianity and Islam had not gone astray, the Pope would not be trying to reverse so many cherished but immoral tenets.

Homophobia and misogyny are institutionalized and the institutions are the problems as people just follow the institutional line.

Religious folk are sheeple and follow whatever the shepherd says.

Regards
DL

 

I am not an atheist, I am a religionist and I only mock because I can.

Take a reasonable position and then I could not mock you.

You know you are full of it as shown by your reluctance to name the God you idol worship.

Regards
DL

 

Like I said, I believe in God, Creator of the Universe.

 

And all this time, I thought that scientists were 'truth seekers'. Oh well.. at any rate, replication of experiments is a requirement of the scientific method. In the case of any experiments to replicate a universe, I have seen none, have not heard of any, and don't honestly believe that the scientists have ever undertaken such an experiment. Such an experiment would surely answer all the questions that the world population would have in regards to 'how did the universe come into existence'.

 

No, they prefer to speculate because they do not have any means of testing any hypothesis of what was before space/time and thus our universe (reality) was created. which is why there are a number of interesting yet differing speculations (supported by mathematical hypotheses) such as M theory and the multiverse.

I find it interesting that GOD DID IT has been the mantra of the religious since religion was first invented, and yet when looking at the evolution of religious thought, there are so many natural events that were attributed to God's direct action that we now know were completely natural and did not require the hand of god to occur.
Its a huge list of faux god actions.


It is regrettable that those with such adamant religious beliefs have such a distorted understanding of that which they reject out of hand in order to safeguard those emotional beliefs.

 

Which one?

There are many who claim to be the creator.

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DL

 

Perhaps you can point me to a theory that actually tries explains where it all came from. Neither the multiverse nor M theory do that.

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Many claim to be the Creator? Name me 3.

 

Well, that is the Pope, and the Pope is (fortunately) not the spokes person for all of Christianity, and definitely not of the Islamic faith. Perhaps if the Pope were to get to know the Christ as well as he knows the dollar and corporatism, then he might be in a better position to judge.

BTW: glad you brought up that 'shepherd' comment. Do you know who the shepherd is? It certainly is not the Pope or the priests, or the pastors, deacons, bishops, etc.