Repub senators find no evidence of wrongdoing regarding Biden and Ukraine policy

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  1. CornPop

    CornPop Well-Known Member

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    I like how you continue to capitalize the parts you don’t comprehend. Do you understand how things like emails are verified in the first place? I’ll answer for you: No. First, many of the emails have cryptographic signatures that can be verified on their own, secondly, emails and text messages are MESSAGES. They get sent to other people who can and have verified the contents. Additionally, the DOJ has physical access to the original laptop. There is nobody making any credible allegation that the laptop data is falsified… other than some random people on this Internet forum. Nobody who has looked at this with any sense of impartiality is making such a claim. It’s time to move on and come up with a stronger argument because this one is laughable.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not a Biden fan, he wasn't even my second choice in the 2020 primaries, but I do like facts, and there are none, so far, about Joe Biden having committed a cri
    I'm far from alone in that assessment.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You made a claim, so the burden of proof is on you. Don't like it? Then don't try to debate.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Take it up with the 2020 GOP Senators behind the report.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're only mentioning the salacious hush money case, about which I couldn't care less.

    I'm talking about the classified documents case, the 2020 / Jan 6 election obstruction/insurrection case, and the RICO case in Georgia. Evidence abounds, some coming from Trump himself.
     
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    poor Republicans, they so wanted this to be true
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Shokin was corrupt, that's been proven, but you'll take his word over the president's.

    Good to know.
     
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    It has been stated it has not been proven, it was simply an excuse to get rid of an inconvenient prosecutor who was threatening big Biden bucks. I mean if Burisma is the source of the corruption and Shokin wasn't investigating Hunter employer would Hunters daddy want him fired? The whole damn story as presented by the left is inside out and backwards.
     
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    All of which are equally bullshit and pretty obvious and egregious bull ****.
     
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    Explain how you would KNOW that someone had TAMPERED with the hard drive PRIOR to the DOJ acquiring it?

    Because someone with your UNDERSTANDING must KNOW enough about those cryptographic signatures to ENSURE that they WOULD be verifiable if checked when they PLANTED the MESSAGES, right?

    And since YOU know how to do that it is REASONABLE to assume so would HACKERS who do this kind of thing from their basements, right?

    ONUS is ENTIRELY on YOU to establish the Chain of Custody FROM HB to the DOJ. If there is even a SINGLE opportunity for tampering then the CONTENTS cannot be used as evidence. I recall Sucker Carlson paying to have the laptop shipped to himself so he could report the contents on his show. Then, after a LONG delay, Sucker admitted that the laptop had "gone missing, disappeared".

    This MATTERS because WHEN the Chain of Custody is BROKEN the contents can NO LONGER be accepted as evidence in a COURT of law. So it DOESN'T matter whether or not anything was or wasn't tampered with. WITHOUT a SOLID Chain of Custody for the laptop it is just noise as far as the court is concerned. Every Defense Lawyer will START with the Chain of Custody because it is the WEAKEST part of the case against HB. Once the laptop is thrown out so is the case.
     
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    Oh the horror, how will I ever go on!

    :sleeping:
     
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  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That comment would fit nicely in my thread...The disorienting, and dangerous, appropriation of language.
     
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    Thousands of emails purportedly from the laptop computer of Hunter Biden, President Biden’s son, are authentic communications that can be verified through cryptographic signatures from Google and other technology companies, say two security experts who examined the data at the request of The Washington Post.

    The verifiable emails are a small fraction of 217 gigabytes of data provided to The Post on a portable hard drive by Republican activist Jack Maxey. He said the contents of the portable drive originated from Hunter Biden’s MacBook Pro, which Hunter reportedly dropped off at a computer repair shop in Wilmington, Del., in April 2019 and never reclaimed.

    The vast majority of the data — and most of the nearly 129,000 emails it contained — could not be verified by either of the two security experts who reviewed the data for The Post. Neither found clear evidence of tampering in their examinations, but some of the records that might have helped verify contents were not available for analysis, they said. The Post was able in some instances to find documents from other sources that matched content on the laptop that the experts were not able to assess.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/

    The salient point being nothing on the laptop is proof of any wrongdoing by Joe.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy

    Given that the source is an associate of Steve Bannon and the fact that there are NEW files ADDED in 2020 which is TWO years after it was last in HB's possession means that as EVIDENCE goes it is utterly WORTHLESS.

    No forensic expert will testify under oath that the contents of that laptop ONLY came from HB.

    Yet another GOP witch hunt ends in abject FAILURE.
     
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    Read this thread, which percentage of posts have links supporting every statement? None. If you believe something is false you're welcome to explain why. Refusing to do so is intellectualy lazy. You'll notice you're the ONLY person in this thread who is confused about the existence of suspicious banking reports detailing overseas payments to the Bidens. That isn't a coincidence. Crying that you don't know something and don't know how to educate yourself is not trying to debate either. Nobody is here to spoonfeed you basic information that has been in the public square for a long time. If you don't understand the basics of the conversation you should probably educate yourself rather than demanding others do it for you. You'll have much more fruitful debates and you might actually win a debate for the first time on this forum if you come armed with knowledge rather than bragging about ignorance.
     
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    Shokin was not threatening anyone, that was the effing problem. Shokin's initial investigation into Burisma was already concluded. I've provided links here. I suggest you go back and read them.
     
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    Well, then, what were all of those Top Secret documents doing in Mar a Lago? Why did Trump order lackeys to move some boxes elsewhere, knowing a search was imminent? Who's voice was on that audio recording, the one where Trump boasted about having TS material while lamenting that he could no longer declassify it, but what the heck, here, come and look at this?

    Who's voice was on the GA audio recording, harannging the GA Sec of State to find 11,780 votes, and threatening him with criminal charges if he refused?

    Who urged his angry supporters to "March down ... Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol"? Who asked security to not make his supporters go through metal detectors or other weapons searches? Who sicced them on Pence when he refused to violate the Constitution?

    I could go on, but if you still believe Trump's victim/grievance bee ess, what's the point?
     
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    Still makes no sense. Still inside out an backwards,
     
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    Same thing as all that stuff in Biden's garage and the same as the stuff in the Clinton left in an abandon building in Arkansas and that Pence had.
     
  20. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'll notice there are no bank statements showing payments to Joe. Which is the only thing that matters unless Repubs are planning to impeach Hunter.
     
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    The law makes no difference whether everyone in Biden's extended family were paid or if he was paid directly. In fact, the law specifically says it doesn't matter. It's the activity that matters. The funds could have been given to any person or entity. The fact that corrupt foreign officials known for bribing politicians are giving tens of millions through shell companies that performed no known legitimate work or product says a lot. These people have no interest in paying Biden's brother, son, grandkids for no reason. They're also laser focused on Biden's decision to use his office to get a prosecutor fired after they asked Hunter to use his resources in DC to make the investigation go away. They've been issuing subpoenas to people like Blinken and the ambassador trying to explain why that decision was made. Prior FOIA documents show our State Department was very pleased with the prosecutor's work. They want to understand what changed, beyond Burisma wanting him gone, and why.
     
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  22. Lee Atwater

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    As far as I know Joe is the only politician in the family and there's no evidence he received any illicit funds.
     
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    I'm not sure what was confusing about my post. I'll use smaller sentences. It doesn't matter if Biden "received any illicit funds." The law does not require him to.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about, like the law.
     
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    LOL. Cite the law that requires Joe Biden himself to receive funds. The bribery statutes are clear that the payments can go to anyone or any entity. You're making up a nonsensical defense because you don't know the law. You've incorrectly assumed that Biden's family receiving payments insulates him. It doesn't. It has no bearing at all. Additionally, there's evidence Hunter Biden has said that Joe Biden forced him to give him a portion of his income. Why does Joe Biden feel entitled to Hunter Biden's income while he's selling his father's "brand" and influence internationally? And why does Hunter say he complies? The inquiry can force bank statements to investigate. At this point in Trump's presidency the Democrats had forced Don Jr to testify a few times. This is their playbook, unfortunately Ashley Biden must have forgotten it in an AirBnB or Hunter Biden must have forgotten it in a computer repair shop. In any event, Republicans have it now and they're using it.
     
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