Republican Sen. Ron Johnson forces Senate to read all 628 pages of Biden's COVID bill aloud

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To know what's in a proposed legislature is a stunt...

    Not often anymore, but you Democrats still manage to surprise me.
     
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    John Moschitta Jr. for Speaker of the House:

     
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    It will make running against them in future a whole lot easier, that's for sure!
     
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    I suppose actually understanding how much of this bill isn't for Covid relief is instructive. And its been televised, so even media retreads can no longer claim they were "unaware" of this. Good for the nation to see some transparency in the graft democrats insist on abusing the nation with.
     
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    Pants Well-Known Member

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    That means that ALL Reps were in attendance and listening intently to the whole thing, right? I mean, if they want to know what is being proposed - they should do that, right?
     
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    ...but not Republican graft when it comes out.
     
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    Has either party ever passed a bill that was not filled payoffs to their donors?

    “In 2011, not an election year, there were almost 3000 fundraising events - just in Washington.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013. p. 59.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    So you agree... good.
     
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    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    Very doubtful. If they ever had to vote straight issues instead they'd quit.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Yes, money matters. More than anything else in Washington.

    “Romney was swimming and in “informal advisers”. Start with the same old likes of Charles Black, a prototypical “informal advisor” and familiar D.C. hybrid of campaign lifer, cable stalwart, and superlobbyist. Black 64, was among those counseling Romney. We know this because he was quoted identified in lots of stories as an “informal advisor” to Mitt Romney. Black recycles every four years and makes himself available for old-pro advice, back-channel information, whatever else the front-runner campaign might need. That is what “informal advisers” do.
    What they must not do is any harm, and this can be tricky, since they often embody the capital’s permanent lobbying and money class that voters detest. And some of their past ties can be unsavory. Black’s lobbying clients, for instance, have included strongmen like Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines and Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 284.
     
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    Remember, though, that it was SC judges from YOUR party (Roberts and Alito nominated by GWB, who I guess you voted for) that pushed through Citizens United, which pretty much opened the floodgates to unlimited money in politics. So, while both parties take the money, if they can, they are not equivalent in setting the stage of the sorry state of politics we are in today.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed. So, they're part of the stunt and a joke played on you. Right?
     
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    Yeah, there'd be no other way to get the text of the bill out in the public record anywhere....

    Damn, if only we had some international system where I could type in a location on my computer and the text of the bill would magically appear...

    Perhaps we could put Al Gore on that project?
     
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    Hey, if the Reps want to play stunts and jokes instead of helping the American people, open up schools and speed up vaccinations, they are only helping the Dems for the next election cycle. Overwhelmingly, the American people (from all sides of the political spectrum) are asking for this bill to pass - ignoring that with stunts speaks volumes.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do them Americans know what's in this bill, besides a check for themselves? :wall:

    Neither do you, nor I.
     
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    Seeing that 91% of the bill is Democratic Party crony payoffs, I think it's a good idea to understand what exactly they are doing with the other $1.7 Trillion of America's future?

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    Only 9% is going to Covid relief. It really should not be called the "Covid Relief Bill", but instead the "Pelosi Trillion Dollar Payoff Bill".

    I think if we do that, the sane Americans will want the bill incinerated. Right now all they know is that $1,400 checks will come. The people get scraps. The Democratic Party Cronies get RICH RICH RICH RICH!!!!
     
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    they are entitled to the bulk of the money, democrats have higher costs of living.
     
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    Lol republicans did the same thing last year
     
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    Here are some of the items that do no belong in a "Covid Relief Bill"...
    • $20,000,000 for Native American Languages
    • $135,000,000 for the National Endowment of the Arts
    • $135,000,000 for the National Endowment for Humanities
    • $200,000,000 for the Institute of Museum of Library Services
    • $86,000,000,000 Bail out for Union Pensions
    • $120,000,000,000 for schools spent from 2022 – 2028 (Covid will be long done by then)
    • $350,000,000,000 for Blue States

    Perhaps they should be considered on their own merit?
     
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    Why in the hell is there so many pages??? I think they should make a 10 pages max rule. If it is more than that, it needs to be in a separate bill.
     
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    LOL! The RP is not my party. Read my posts. Both parties are utterly corrupt. There s really no excuse for ordinary American citizens feel attached to either party. The differences between the parties are, for the most part, a fantasy. The DP/RP are joined at the wallet. ;-)

    “[T]he running existential contradictions of D.C., a place where “authenticity and fantasy are close companions”, as the Washington Post’s Henry Allen once wrote. It misses that the city, far from being hopelessly divided, is in fact hopelessly interconnected. It misses the degree to which New Media has democratized the political conversation while accentuating Washington's insular, myopic, and self loving tendencies. It misses, most of all, a full examination of how Washington may not serve the country well but has, in fact, worked splendidly for Washington itself– A city of beautifully busy people constantly writing the story of their own lives.”
    THIS TOWN, Mark Leibovich, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 10. (emphasis mine)
     
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    Since we are being honest, the dems could have proposed a pork free. The pork was added do draw opposition so they can claim that the reps don't care about killing grandma. This is just political grandstanding. Nothing else.
     
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    Washington is the bribery and extortion capital of the world. Every page of legislation generates $millions - often $billions in loot for the corrupt bipartisan ruling political class whether the bils pass or not.

    “In recent years, despite thousands of bills introduced into Congress every year, only a small percentage (approximately 5%) become law. Of course, what matters for laws is quality not quantity. But why would legislators bother to introduce so many hopeless bills? What if they are not even designed to pass? What if they are instead designed to make money? The cold harsh reality in Washington is this: the very conditions that are so maddening for most Americans —gridlock, problems being ignored, hyper partisanship — are the very conditions that are most lucrative for the Permanent Political Class. Washington may not be working for citizens, but it's working quite well for members of the Permanent Political Class who profit handsomely.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 7, 8.
     
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    Surely not! ;-)
     
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    If you think that's dumb (and it somewhat is), here is the "process" for today's vote-a-rama

    SNIP
    Usually, lawmakers agree to a process that looks a lot like this.

    • Lawmaker introduces an amendment (sometimes it is just written on a piece of paper).
    • There is a minute of debate equally divided by each side.
    • 10 minutes to vote.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/politics/vote-a-rama-covid-19-relief/index.html

    Yeah... that's a foolproof process to ensure well thought out substantial legislation.... a whole 60 seconds of debate, divided...

    My only question is - Who writes out what Ron Johnson wants to amend for him??
     
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