Republicans want to ban condoms, IUDs, the "pill", etc. ?

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  1. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    Incorrect. Democratic elections are held under other forms of government as well, such as republics.
     
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    YUP , But they are NOT doing anything about the fact that women can't FEED their infants because this country CANNOT provide enough infant formula!!
     
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    Just a question. Do you actually think this post represents Republicans and not the 4 people you are talking about, or did you just instinctually falsify this information for yet another fake thread?
     
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    Correct. And you have highlighted the confusion point for many people (especially liberals). They seem to think that the very presence of a democratic process for choosing leaders means that a nation is a democracy. That is wrong.

    A democracy is actually a form of government in which there is "mob rule" (government by a mob of ordinary people). A republic, on the other hand, is a form of government in which there is "constitutional rule" (government by law (a constitution)). These terms were defined by ancient Athens (democracy) and ancient Rome (republic).

    Democracies don't work at all, even in very small countries. They always quickly dissolve either into dictatorships or oligarchies, as evidenced throughout human history.

    To say that we make use of democratic means to elect our representatives is perfectly acceptable. To say that our nation is a democracy, rather than a federated republic, is not acceptable. However, to say that we are a federated republic at this point is also technically in error, since there is no longer any USA anymore (as the current regime that was installed via election fraud does not recognize the restraints of any federal or state constitution and instead attempts to rule over the individual states as an oligarchy. The remaining 48 states need to decide whether they are going to denounce the oligarchy and re-form a union of states or whether they are going to join the oligarchy of DC, as California and New York have already decided to do.
     
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    Now there is a statement that literally stand truth on its head and slaps it into the Earth's mantle to burn for all eternity.
     
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    Classic democracy has been working in Switzerland for centuries.
     
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    Such as?
     
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    Yes, it represents their platform, and anyone else who believes abortion is murder.
     
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    This is why there should be a federal law that renders abortion as self defense, and to ban abortion would mean the state bans lethal measures for self defense. In essence either the state supports guns and abortions, or bans abortions and guns being used for self defence.

    Can't have it both ways regarding the value of life.
     
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  11. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The term, 'republic' is a term that has been around for a few thousand years.

    This idea you claim that a dictionary entry on the term is all you need to know about what a republic, is, or isn't, is nonsense.

    If you look at the Encyclopedia Britannica, it goes in to greater detail, accommodating your definition and then some, noting the last line:

    Republic, a form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body. Modern republics are founded on the idea that sovereignty rests with the people, though who is included and excluded from the category of the people has varied across history. Because citizens do not govern the state themselves but through representatives, republics may be distinguished from direct democracy, though modern representative democracies are by and large republics. The term republic may also be applied to any form of government in which the head of state is not a hereditary monarch.

    Any form of government that is not a hereditary monarch.

    This is why there are 'socialist republics', 'Islamic Republics', 'Calvinist Republics', Democratic Republics ( constitutional republics) etc, etc., etc.


    And, America, a republic, is one of the 50 or so 'liberal democracies' of the west. America has elections at every level government, hundreds of elections in 50 states and the ONLY election that is NOT direct is the presidential election.

    America is called a 'representative democracy', not primarily because of the EC, but because the electorate does not vote on laws, they vote for representatives who propose, and vote on laws on their behalf. The other liberal democracies who vote direct for their presidents/leaders, are also called representative democracies. In a sense, a representative democracy has become the norm so much so that the term 'democracy' can assume representative democracy when used as a descriptive term.

    In a democracy, people vote, but in a republic, people may, or may not, vote, or they may vote, an the vote is a sham.

    The point is, not all republics are democracies, but all democracies are republics. The only reason republicans are nitpicking on the term 'Republic', and asserting that America is not a democracy because for the last few decades they haven't won the popular vote. Which is why they keep bringing it up that the founders did not want a democracy. No, they wanted a representative democracy and they wanted and a system of electors, electors who bore a strong resemblance to the founding fathers, because they were afraid of 'the people', which is to say, the vast electorate of lesser people who were not like them.








     
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    well in States they really only have to be in step with the state.

    And if they're out of step with the state then they will get voted out.
     
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    because it's a specious point.

    They will do whatever they can get away with. When the time comes, and when they know they can get away with it, they will.

    AS they are in a few states. which is the beginning of a greater plan.
     
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    If you look at the comment I was responding to, you'll realize all that was unecessary...
     
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    :banana:~ At least AOC said she would likely not reproduce. :pray: ' Thank you... '
     
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    When was the last time a Republican had the entire thread shut down for falsifying information about other posters calling teachers pedophiles?
    Seems all evidence to the contrary.
     
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    Honestly it seems like you are cherry picking some of the more radical members of the GOP when it comes to contraception bans.
     
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    Sounds like typical LW mass hysteria. Get back to us when any of this actually enacted.
     
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    How many libs said we need illegals because our population shrinking? I’m pro choice, but I’m not pro double standards and hypocrisy.
     
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    I'm wondering why I should.

    come to think of it, there is no reason. Why? Because my point renders your question meaningless.
     
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    WE need more immigration, not because of population shrinking, but because of labor shortages.
     
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    Filed in the wishful thinking and other unicorns file.
     
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    I had a hunch I was reiterating what you wrote, but I wasn't sure.
     
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    Well, they are proposing radical laws as they are members of lawmaking bodies, which means that's grounds for some serious bullhorn shouting from rooftops.

    There are times where it's specious to cherry pick, but this isn't one of them, and that's the point.
     
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    It would be 'hysteria' if the actions didn't merit bullhorn shouting from rooftops.

    Since it does, it's not.
     

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