Reverse psychology; Trump deserves full credit for two SUCCESSFUL vaccines

Doubtful except as a segue to fault Trump. The flu kills between 25-80 thousand Americans every year. We've had the flu vaccines for decades and they are tried and true. Nevertheless in any year there are never more than about fifty percent who get the vaccine. If you pressed the non inoculated about the flu vaccine, I suspect they'd get as obnoxious as the anti covid crowd.

 

Yes, I saw that video on CNN. And Cuomo did say what you said. Exercise and good health is a no brainer. The co morbidities for Covid are essentially those in poor health, obesity and such. To rely solely on vaccines alone for health is akin to relying solely on vitamins for nutrition.

 

Better 25-80 than nearly a million. I'll consider any mind changed a victory. The number of minds Pres Trump could change is considerable, hes very influential, yet he's also butthurt about losing and so he's doubling down on the very piss poor leadership that got him ejected. I think he makes the case for abolishing the Presidency. He did so well in so many areas and then so catastrophic in this one. Pres Biden is just the reverse, doing moderately ok on COVID and abysmal everywhere else. One man cant do it all.

 

doctors fear recommending a low carb diet due to current food recommendations by the government, heavily processed food is just too many carbs

you know when doctors fear recommending low carb to correct type 2 diabetes, there is a issue preventing this recomendation

 

I think you may be overestimating his influence and underestimating the nature of people. If fifty percent are inoculated, and half of those are Republicans. Then the remaining uninoculated fifty percent are half Republicans and half Democrats, roughly. I also think the Trump administration did the lions share of the work on this matter. And the Biden administration only had to keep the ball rolling. So on that we disagree.

 

Last I looked into Covid triggering diabetes it was preliminary studies showing that yes it can happen. Like you I’m not surprised because we know viral infections in young children cause a lot of type 1 diabetes. Any time the immune system is fighting an infection there can be collateral damage.

Since vaccines elicit an immune response there is always a slight chance of the vaccine doing damage similar to damage done by immune response to the pathogen in a natural infection. The odds are minuscule though in comparison to natural infection.
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Diabetes does not in and of itself affect the efficacy of influenza vaccines. I’m not aware of any data on immunogenicity loss in diabetes affected individuals with the Covid vaccines. I can’t find data showing people with diabetes are over represented in breakthrough infections, but disease is more severe in breakthrough infections with diabetes than without.

Obesity and lack of exercise are closely linked to diabetes so it’s often difficult to determine what’s most responsible for bad outcomes. If you are not obese and are getting good exercise I don’t think you are at any more risk of breakthrough infection than someone without diabetes. We will know more in a year.

 

Google; Most Republican State;

Wyoming was the most Republican state, with 59% of residents identifying as Republican, and only 25% of residents identifying as Democratic.

Google; Most Democrat State

As of 2018, Massachusetts was the most Democratic state, with 56% of residents identifying as Democrat, while only 27% of residents identified as Republican.

Google; COVID-19 vaccines by state

Wyoming; One Dose 40.7%............if half Repubs, and half Dems, where's the other 39% who identified themselves as Republican?

Massachusetts; 71.7%

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker

 

Why would we want the vaccine just because Trump is supporting it?

 

Why were MAGA hats such a popular fashion accessory the last 4 years? Because Pres Trump sold the idea of a better America. Vaccines and masks represent a path to a better America. He could easily convince people of this if he wanted to. But, hes a sore loser, he just is. He believe he isn't getting the credit he is due for vaccines and hes upset that the MSM is giving it to Pres Biden (who btw doesn't deserve it either). But he should know by now that the MSM was never going to give him credit, they didn't give him credit for any of the many many ways in which he improved America during his term. He needs to put aside his butthurt and convince as many of his supporters that vaccinations and masks are how we help save America. If he cant do that, given the influence he does, then he truly will forever be remember as a piece of ****.

 

It’s not simply correlation once the causative physiological pathways are identified. There are several, including T cell exhaustion in obesity and chronic inflammation from obesity interfering with innate immune response to pathogens.

Probably the most important identified causative for obese being more prone to positive tests and more developed disease is naive T cell depletion in obesity. We’ve known since last summer naive T cell concentrations were predictive of progression to disease and severe disease after exposure/infection. It’s one reason older people are more susceptible to Covid as well. Their naive T cells are depleted.

In contrast, we observed children who were exposed to SARS2 and even developed antibodies but could never return a positive PCR test. We determined the high naive T cell component of children’s immune system was responsible. Essentially the children were exposed, had a few cells of the upper respiratory tract infected by the virus, but the immune response mediated by the naive T cells eliminated the virus before it could replicate enough to cause systemic infection or even spread to other cells in the upper respiratory tract.

Obesity reduces naive T cells by limiting their production (obesity has the same negative effects on the immune system as natural aging) and by creating unnatural memory T cells in adipose tissue.

To say obesity is not causative in Covid “infection” is the same as saying obesity is not causative in Covid severe disease or death.

Good point about not vaccinating because of natural infection. I leaned towards antibody testing before receiving the vaccine early when vaccine availability was low. Those with antibodies had pretty good protection and shouldn’t have had the vaccine before high risk folks.

 

maybe not you, but those that worship the ground he walks on would of

 

Cutting carbs out of the diet is great and the best way to reverse type 2 diabetes. But it’s not the only way to lose weight, prevent diabetes, address heart disease etc. Exercise is probably more important for many people.

 

He didn't sell the idea. He used the idea to sell himself. There is a significant difference.

 

I was initially diagnosed as pre-diabetic, and my doctor told than I may be able to reverse it......IF IF IF........after three months of NO Sat, No Trans, No Chol, lots of exercises, and Metformin Tablets........Results: it developed into Type 2.

Thus, it was possible to reverse pre-diabetes, and it is still possible to reverse Type 2.

Note: After one week of No Sat, No Trans, No Chol, it felt so good that I regretted eating a whole lot of yummy food. After two weeks, I felt like Superman. In addition, said diet isn't more expensive than red meat/fatty groceries. Sure, almonds and fresh fish are more expensive, but overall, same price as before, if not less.

 

Trump told his supporters America wasn't great, they bought it up, now he is trying to make it not great, so he can run in 2024 and reuse the hat

 

Trump deserves as much credit for the successes of the vaccines as he does the damage they cause.

 

Today's Trump circle jerk thread!

 

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Just now on radio news they played an audio clip of GOP senate majority leader McConnell urging everyone to get the vaccine.

I usually vote GOP... but I hate "let them eat cake" McConnell.

I voted for Trump... but I did NOT agree with everything he said and did [I especially hated his promotion of antichrists and sodomites.]

In other words... never trust a politician. They will disappoint you every time.

In my entire life I have been starry-eyed over only ONE current world leader... and he has disappointed me worst of all.

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I’m glad you found a diet that works for you! Between the diet change and the reduced stress from leaving your previous occupation you’ve surely added many good years to your life. And you mitigated your risk from Covid.

 

I was just comparing Wyoming and Massachusetts the other day. Guess what the effective reproduction numbers of the two states are?

Wyoming— 1
Massachusetts 1.5

 

Well, that's gonna leave a mark.

 

A very interesting point after I googled ''Re''.......didn't know what it meant.

ALSO, what factor(s) led to a 0.5 differential?

Let's see.......

I've compared WY/MA current covid restrictions, and there are none, thus, WY/MA's only prevention/control measure is ''vaccinations''

Here's the reason why I googled said ''current covid restrictions''

In reference to Wuhan control measures......lockdowns, school closures, cancellation of gatherings;

''When all those measures were taken collectively in Wuhan, the Rt of the epidemic declined to below 1 within weeks. When an Rt decreases below 1 for a given disease in a given place, disease spread slows and the epidemic has the potential to be controlled in that area

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765665

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Next.......WY/MA number of cumulative cases/confirmed infections, MINUS deaths, and as a percent of population'.............just wanted to find out WY/MA's confirmed ''immunity percentages''

End of Dec 2020/Prior mass vaccinations

WY; 7.6%
MA; 5.2%

Current

WY; 10.9%
MA; 10.1%

Thus, when you made a comparison ''the other day'', WY/MA's confirmed immunity percentages were near ''at par''. NOTE: MA's imminity is actually higher due to vaccinations.

Thus, what factor(s) led to a 0.5 differential?????????

IMO, Population Density........If so, a valid reason to WARP SPEED Vaccinations.

 

Can you source the confirmed immunity data? I’m not buying MA has only 10% fully vaccinated.

 

Correction; Before you posted, I added the following note;

NOTE: MA's percentage of immunity is actually higher due to vaccinations, however, WY/MA's Confirmed Cases/Infections as a percent of population were/are near at par''

Thus, despite the fact MA's percentage of immunity is actually higher than WY, what factor(s) led to a 0.5 Differential?

 

Ever spent much time in Wyoming?