RITTENHOUSE Verdict unleashes CELEBRATIONS, on the RIGHT

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  1. US Conservative

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    Come again?
     
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    you are correct, richard, our constitution was written by idiots to make sure the people stay stupid.

    there was a curfew in place. none of them were "legally able to be there.
     
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    Funny how the prosecution was never able to prove that there was a valid curfew in place.

    And yes, I'm sure that you do think that our Constitution was written by idiots. I'd LOVE to see the kind of "Constitution" you could write that would last over 200 years. But before you do please make sure that I have an ample supply of oxygen tanks near me so I can take some deep breaths in between the laughter at the ridiculousness of it.
     
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    Must be why that charge was dropped.
     
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    So self-defense=vigilante murder to you? Wow, talk about dystopia.
     
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    Yeah right the mob screaming for Rittenhouse conviction from just outside the courthouse and the loud mouthed idiots of the alphabet soup media, loudly accusing him of being a white supremacist among other things for which there is not now nor has there ever been any evidence, had no impact on the jury? Pretending that the right were the only people trying to impact this trial is just self serving poppycock.
     
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    I'm not celebrating. There is nothing to celebrate. It's absurd to make this case political. It's horrible that this thing ever happened. I'm just glad the case is done.
     
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    Often in these incidents, the variables in evidence leaves room for different interpretations; thus a person acting in good faith might see guilt or innocence without necessarily lying to themselves or being biased.
    This is not one of those situations. The evidence- seen honestly- could not be interpreted as indicating anything but self defense and not guilty. Crystal clear, providing a person actually looked at it and was willing to conclude from the facts- Not Guilty. No alternative conclusion possible for any honest person.

    But now, on the morning after- we see the hate, the rage of would-be lynch mobs spread all over the country. How is this possible?
    IF these people are rational, thinking people- regardless of their political position, they could not in good conscience convict Rittenhouse, yet even after the justice system proved that the justice system still works, they scream for blood. Those are not the screams of righteous people, or rational people, because the mechanics of such minds would not allow that. When you look for the mental conditions that would, the terms that fit are- A-moral, and Sociopath. That means people without self-regulating values, and absent any regard for others’ feelings or violations of people’s rights. People to whom nothing matters but them, who are invariably not happy with themselves, who feel a need to punish others for the existence of that condition. This is usually seen more as the result of flaws in the underlying fabric of mental process, not as a choice. It's a condition, and often those with it have never realize it exists in them. This isn't a contagious condition, more of a programming error. It can exist in a kind of dormant state, held mostly in check by social mores and laws. Thus- it is the presence of order and honor that usually hold this errant conduct in check.

    So where is this coming from? People of this nature have always been with us, but not so visibly numerous or bold as to threaten the whole of society. I believe the growing assaults on the values and standards of society are bringing out the worst in people- and intimidating, suppressing the best. Neither Rittenhouse nor the verdict is in any way responsible for this surge of scurrilous behavior, they are only the latest convenient trigger, the excuse, for it. Thus- every bit of this conduct tells us two things. One, that these demonstrations and acts of violence reflect only on the people doing them and have no just cause. Two- that being "tolerant" of bad behavior is only buying us a lot more bad behavior, and serving no positive purpose either socially or legally. By our "tolerance", we are creating grossly intolerable behaviors and allowing that to do great damage to the whole of America and society.

    The people on the streets ranting against Rittenhouse are the small spoiled brats of society, and by the withdrawal of discipline, are now allowed to throw kicking, screaming tantrums on the public floor without consequence. Far more dangerous situation than most people realize.
     
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    I don't know what recording you saw but what I saw was several people chasing and then trying to disarm an Active Shooter who then kills one of them and runs away

    Has it come to this? Are we now so enthralled by the madmen who kill us that we call any who oppose them "rioters" and ensconce random murderers as heroes.?
     
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    The jury found Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty....
     
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    DEF, your research on this seem sourced from biased people. Despite a great deal of convenient conclusions from the biased networks, Kyle did not travel there with a gun, nor the purpose of confrontation. He was asked to help protect a business. The gun was provided to him, not brought in. All the evidence, for those willing to look at fact rather than political fodder- says Kyle was totally innocent. He did not initiate the confrontations, and those who confronted him (at least one) was armed with a gun, which was pointed at Kyles head when the guy holding it was shot. He testified to that. Kyle was also knocked to the ground and beaten with a skateboard.

    Protests are legal- but the stupidity of suspending the law to allow protests to become criminal has brought horrific consequences, and once that precedent was set it becomes very difficult to reverse it.

    Protests consist of marches, signs, chants, petitions, speeches and so on. Things that are criminal and NOT PROTESTS include blocking streets, vandalism, arson, looting, theft, assault, refusing to obey the directions of law officers, occupying property not your own- ALL criminal issues. Non-criminal protest often get police escorts and protection from violent protestors.

    IF those things are dealt with by law enforcement as they should be, most all citizens would be happy to stay the hell away. However, political interests seeking to promote disorder have managed to restrain law and allow violence- to the detriment of the people. That transfers the duty to protect yourself, your family, your city- TO the people themselves. The people who bear the first responsibility for all the riot damage we have been suffering over the last couple years are the people who withheld police protection and law enforcement. WHY are most of them still in office? Because they deflect the blame to someone else.....
    And in many areas, the public is gullible enough to allow it.
     
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    What part of chasing someone who hasn't shot anyone yet and is carrying a rifle makes sense to you? You aren't an active shooter til you actually shoot some one. By your absurd definition every one carrying a gun is an active shooter even if they are carrying it to the trunk of their car to go hunting.
     
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    The only thing Kyle did not understand was how many people with long police records would be out that night causing havoc. The only one during those encounters without one was Kyle yet here the left defends the criminals.
     
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    It sounds like you are labeling Kyle an "Active shooter" before any shots were fired. It also sounds like you think they were attempting to disarm him. Rosenbaum, the first man shot, was on bipolar medication- which he had not taken.

    Jason Lackowski, (a witness) former Marine who said he took an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle to Kenosha last year to help protect property during violent protests against racial injustice, said that Joseph Rosenbaum “asked very bluntly to shoot him” and took a few “false steppings ... to entice someone to do something. Lackowski got up from the witness stand and demonstrated what he meant by “false stepping.” He took a small step and slight lurch forward, then stopped.

    Rosenbaum was threatening and provoking by his own intent. If it were not for the marines's training and cool, he may have been shot then.

    Rioters aren't too hard to recognize or define. Nothing I saw indicated that Kyle was attempting to start anything, and there are many videos that show he was the one running away from trouble, not seeking it.
    If we refuse to let justice work, of we tolerate the intimidation of courts, police and juries- one would have to be a fool to think things would get better.
     
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    It's always fun to see sanctimonious and self-righteous talking heads get their comeuppance from an honest jury doing their civic duty.
     
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    You left out lying...
     
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    Because it's not a discrete issue of an isolated incident up in Wisconsin. It's a bigger part of an ongoing culture war that is raging in this country. That's the only reason it was so politicized. People are shot in Chicago in the same format every weekend, but it isn't a national story for a year, because that narrative doesn't align with the contention of the culture war.

    The media has failed us, absolutley. If they were doing their jobs, the facts of this case wouldn't have come to light during trial after being held by the media for the last 14 months.

    - why didn't the media tell us Kyle's father and family lives in Kenosha?

    - why didn't they tell us he prevent a dumpster fire from being pushed into a fuel station?

    - why did they say for months he crossed state lines with a gun?

    - why didn't they tell us about the men he shot, including their criminal records and history of crime?


    Why does it appear that the media is largely feeding the story only in the format, which the cherry picked facts, that align with their side of the culture war?

    You can deny this battle exists, but this case and how it was reported proves the existence.
     
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    More along the lines of: They've been getting systematically flattered since March 2020, and are grasping this win like a drowning man grabs a life preserver.

    They will vociferously deny this, of course.
     
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    The only thing I have against you Spiritguide is that you preempt my thoughts before I can post them myself, however , you are much more elegant and measured in your post than I, so my grievance is totally spurious!
     
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    The democrats will put tribe over country any day.Kyle was guilty because he wasn’t one of theirs.
    Meanwhile Biden wants another 87,000 IRS agents to audit everyone who has two nickels to rub together. They even hate the working tribe.
     
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    Yep, already determined by the Judge

    Criminal convictions and carrying concealed without a concealed weapons permit.
     
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    :applause: That sums it up pretty well. Thank you Sir!
     
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    Just because you shoot a gun doesn't make you an active shooter. Killing people indiscriminately for no other reason than to shoot them makes you an active shooter.
    But you can continue with that fake claim as it says more about you than Rittenhouse.

    If you chase someone you become the aggressor and have no rights to self defense. You don't get to take it upon yourself to declare someone is an active shooter just so you can chase them down and beat or shoot them.

    Since Rittenhouse was not an active shooter, and was being attacked, he has every right to defend himself with deadly force.
    Don't like it? Don't try and take a weapon away from someone just because you are triggered.
     
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    Yes it does.
     
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    Thats what the criminal rioting Pedophile and the criminal rioting Rapist thought.
    And we saw how that turned out. Didn't we.
     
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