Ron Paul supporters who will not support the GOP nominee are Liberals

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-ron-paul-could-beat-obama-more-electable-215500709.html

Poll: Ron Paul Could Beat Obama, More Electable Than Bachmann

How can you vote for a Liberal Taxchusetts Governor.......and call yourself conservative?
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There couldn't possibly be an award for you because everything you say is all equally absurd.

 

Say what? They're both the same. Show me one instance where Obama has ever opposed "free markets, free trade, Austrian school economics, and extremely low taxes". There economic policies are the same. Obama has never done anything that hasn't benefited an industry.

 

Cool!!! Where do I sign up. I'd much rather be a Socialist then a corporate monkey.

 

Being Constitutionally sound which equates to ending Corporate Welfare is being a "Corporate Monkey"?

 

Ending corporate welfare??? You guys want to end all welfare!!!! That and believing crazy things like when your masters tell you free trade is good for you. That makes you a corporate monkey.

 

Ha ha ha. You are either trolling or pitiably ignorant. "Free market, free trade, etc" doesn't mean doing whatever benefits an industry. In fact, it's impossible to be pro-industry because all firms have competitors: favoring one opposes all the rest.

Anyway, Obama has supported hugely increased state control of the medical and financial industries, massively increased government spending on anything and everything, billionaire banker bailouts to "prop up" the too-big-to-stay-alives, "quantitative easing" to the tune of trillions lent out to yet more banks, and a "Cash for Clunkers" boondoggle that is a textbook example of the broken window fallacy.

You may disagree with these programs for your own reasons, but that doesn't make them pro-market, pro-Austrian-economics programs or anything Ron Paul or anyone like him would support or has supported. Insofar as any corporate interest supports any of the above garbage, the do not support a free market economy. They may not support the happy-face socialist economy you prefer either, but they do not support what Ron Paul supports.

 

Or you dont know what liberal and conservative mean in relation to american government and constitution.

Liberal = increase goverment authority/power

Conservative + limit goverment power

Notice how there are conservatives and libers in other countries who which dont have democrats and republicans..

First sign of political ignorance in my opinion.

Ron paul is a libertarian who interprets the constitution strictly..

And no we arent liberal nor conservative, we are ron paul supporters. The mainstrewam media tactic to classify people into opposing groups to limit the advance of political discussion/debate/advance is coming to an end

 

Actually libertarians argued against free trade policies because they also argued against the regulatory powe the us goverment has held in the economy. Do they wish to restrict trade? No. But they dont want the government to influence trade either.

Trade is only good when it has the most free market origin in my, and many other's opinion. For good reason too.

 

Sounds like the Paul supporters are going to take their toys and go home to sulk if the repubs don't do what they say.
This is yet another example of why libertarians are not ready for prime time. They are as intransigent as the **********s, yet the world only runs on consensus and compromise.
Neither group offers anything to the country except more divisiveness and ultimate failure.

 

Consensus has NEVER created anything worth while in the world. Look at science for example.. look at society for example.. and now look at politics for example. For the past 100 years, we have had compromise after compromise, and what do you desire? More compromise? Why the hell should we compromise our history or our ideals when it is the compromise of such things which perpetuate suffering?

You mainline democrats and republicans are part of the same party, just admit it. Its the party who is supported by people who are too lazy and too pre occupied to actually think outside your little box, the TV.

 

Exactly, the way obama supports industry is by supporting individuals within industry, which actually erodes the industry, ruins competition, and completely undermines the concept of a free market, where companies can only become successful by: Providing a desirable product at a competitive price, not by lobbying and essentially making the government an endless capital resource.

I bet it I had friends in the government I could get funding to bring back the pet rock, people would be infatuated with something like that in this day in age.

 

You really don't get it, do you?
Without compromise, where would we be?
Look at what happened in Germany when Hitler managed to destroy his political rivals to avoid having to compromise his agenda.
The problem with that sort of thinking is that the world is diverse and we do not share the same values or goals. When there are competing goals, the only solution is a compromise. The alternative is the law of the jungle or totalitarian tyranny.

 

Nevermind I agree

 

Opps double post

 

No, its the compromise of our idea of free trade, property rights and individual freedoms that we should not compromise, yet all constitutional issues either defend or deny something in one of these groups. Far too many people want to compromise the idea in which the country was founded upon in search for someone able to do it better.

Guess what, nothing can beat a society that is free to make their own money and their own choices and to suffer the consequences of failing.

Its historically proven, there is nothing you can disagree with in terms of that.

 

That's a real eye-opener coming from such a conciliatory and amiable guy such as yourself...

Go sell it somewhere else, Joe.

 

WHAT?!!!

Where do you get this nonsense from? This is the latest consensus. Ron Paul has zero chance of beating Obama!

General Election: Paul vs. Obama
Poll Spread
RCP Average Obama +7.7
CNN/Opinion Research Obama +7
PPP (D) Obama +5
ABC News/Wash Post Obama +5
Rasmussen Reports Obama +8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Obama +13
McClatchy/Marist Obama +8

The only candidate currently that actually beats Obama on a couple of polls and is close on most of the rest is Romney. That's strictly a fact regardless of who you're going to vote for. Can we at least be honest here?

 

well let's have a look shall we ?
Obama supports the expansion of government, loss of individual liberty, world militarism, wage based taxes that target the upper middle class, transfers of large sums of money to the big banks, and generalized crony capitalism.

The "not Paul" republicans support the same.

By golly, you're right.
My apologies.

 

mirror images of their Democrat counterparts in office.

 

I can show you several posts in this thread where you claimed you were going to support the not Paul republican nominee.

nuff said.

 

I would vote for Paul in a second. I will not vote for Romney or Gingrich. Gingrich is a grade A sleaze, worse than even Bill Clinton. Romney is a RINO, he'd be a Democrat annywhere outside New England or Kalifornia. He is unelectable, and will almost certainly LOSE his home state.

If Romney gets the nomination, I will probably write in Mortimer Snerd.

 

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No candidate has zero chance. It's almost a year away. He does better than any candidate other than Romney and would likely grab huge numbers of independents and devastate Obama's base. He's the only one that could attack Obama from both the right and the left.

It's pretty clear it's down to Obama, Romney, and Paul. No other GOP nominee has any kind of clear path to victory.

 

Thanks for correcting your original false statement