Try ocean floor activity and heating. Oh, not as powerful as man you say? Remember, this is just a hot molten rock with a thin crust. Do you believe man knows everything that can be known already?
Hmmm - then why is the bottom of the ocean not warming? If the heat WERE building up on the ocean floor should we not have detected it?
They HAVE??? And what would be causing all of this warming - top down effect from global warming or pixies on pushbikes stirring the ocean floor? Okay - please give me a link to the research articles - love to see them
That's only true if the floor itself is not the heat source. If the floor is red hot, the air closest to the floor will be the hottest, and it will cool as it rises. The air at the ceiling will be cooler than the air just below the ceiling, but not as warm as the air being heated by the floor.
Move goal posts much. I'll take that as yet another admission that you were wrong. I have to go but I'll address this soon. Stay tuned.
Actually, heat is the kinetic energy of molecules. Nope. What's getting hottest the fastest is the air or water inside the furnace being directly heated by the furnace. That's where the temperature is increasing the fastest: inside the furnace. On the first floor. Then go ahead and explain how cold water at the bottom of the sea heats the warm water at the surface. Lord Kelvin is laughing at you.
Some claims are that global warming is causing it and volcanic activity. Obviously, the ocean floor warming is not caused by warming from above but from warming below and the volcanic activities in the ocean are only evidence to prove my point. Examples: http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=135-years-of-records-reveals-deep-o-12-04-01 http://iceagenow.com/Ocean_Warming.htm
I guess it is my fault for not explaining it properly. Hotter gasses don't rise because they are hot but because they are less dense and so the gas weighs less and gets displaced upward to fill the gap as the cold, denser, air gets pulled down by gravity. Cold air weighs more than hot air and gets pulled down by gravity. The thermal energy tries to conduct from the hotter molecules to the colder ones but the hotter molecules rise faster than they can conduct the heat so that much of the heat rises with the molecule. When the molecule loses its heat it gets denser(heavier) and falls again displacing the hotter air at the bottom. It collects the heat when it reaches the bottom again and rises because it is now lighter and then loses its heat and falls. It continues this cycle. In a house there is a cieling to stop thermal conductivity and loss of heat energy. This prevents the molecules that had risen from conducting heat and so the remain stagnant for a time allowing the cieling to get hotter where the flow is interuppted. Since the cieling prevents the molecule from losing its heat, it cannot become denser and since it cannot become heavier than the molecules below it, gravity cannot pull it back down. If the flow were to stop, and the heat source turned off, thermal conductivity would take over and the air in all places would equalize to almost the same temperature. This only works with gasses and liquids.
I read your post wrong. Yes the hottest is the heat source. The second hottest is the cieling. The coolest area is somewhere in between. In the ocean you have a source of heat from the top and the bottom so it is more difficult to determine which is the cause of the heat gain, especially when the hotter molecules are rising to where the second source of heat is, making that heat source appear even hotter.
No, it's easy to determine where the heat is coming from. It's coming from the place that is warming the fastest. That's the surface. If volcanism were responsible for the rise in ocean temperatures, the bottom would be warming the fastest. Since the surface is warming the fastest, the heat MUST be coming from above.
How do you know which is warming the fastest? I could get no documentation on direct numbers. Like I said before the heat from the bottom has an effect on the surface also which allows the surface to appear to heat faster.
You measure it. Not only is the surface warming fastest, the deepest part of the ocean hasn't warmed at all. The heat is coming from above, not from below.
No you show the double standard Here is how the GW community really feels http://www.infowars.com/climate-alarmist-calls-for-burning-down-skeptics-homes/
I'm not going to bother quoting this sophistry. PoorD now seems to argue that ocean floor volcanism is equivalent to a floor heater. Uh sorry poorD. Its not. Volcanism is localized not evenly distributed like a floor heater. Its more like oh I dont know ... a furnace. A volcanic hot spring at the bottom of the ocean will only warm the immediate area around the spring. Convection will quickly carry the hot water up and away to the surface. The surface will still warm the fastest. <<<Mod edit: Insult removed>>>
Here's a map of ocean surface temperature. Perhaps you can point out the volcanic hotspots, because I sure can't see them. Also, please explain why there aren't any volcanic furnaces in the Antarctic, where the Sun doesn't shine. Odd, isn't it? Unless of course you're totally wrong about volcanoes heating the ocean. Sure we do. The temperature of deep ocean water is measured routinely and it always comes out the same: 1.6° C. Oceanic heat content has been measured, and is rising at a rate of about 600 mW/m². Heat flow from the Earth's interior into the oceans has been measured too, and amounts to 101 mW/m². So unless you're arguing that global volcanism has increased by a factor of 6 over the last 20 years, oh but only on the ocean floor and not on the continents -- then the only person arguing about of his ass is YOU.
The heat source on the bottom cannot be measured at 3000 meters. The average depth, alone, is more than 4000 meters. Temperatures potentially increase more past 4000 meters. It also important to consider that the deeper oceans have more pressure, more dense, and can absorb more kenetic energy without as much temerature increase as the less dense water at top.
The scientific Ameican article - if you follow the links in particular is quite clear that the warming of the oceans is a product of global warming not the cause As for your second link - do not trust any anonymous blog that references it's own interpretations of news articles - you find the meaning is shifting. But even despite this those volcanoes are not new, neither are they responsible for warming the entire oceans - and if you read the ORIGINAL report http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/press/press_releases/press_release.php?id=1541 and compare it to your blog in particular compare the titles Iceagenow - Underwater volcanoes heating Antarctic waters British Arctic Survey - Press Release - Underwater Antarctic volcanoes discovered in the Southern Ocean Read the article for yourself and tell me - which of these is misrepresenting the truth?
((((((((((((((((((((((sigh)))))))))))))))))))))))) What have I told you before about confusing bad journalism with good science? In this case it is a matter of confusing poor journalism with really really poor journalism This is what Steve Zwick actually wrote http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevezwick/2012/04/19/a-tennessee-firemans-solution-to-climate-change/ And I can see why the climate disinformation machine is targeting this guy - he is not actually asking us to burn down houses (don't Americans recognise sarcasm) but he IS demanding that we shift the cost WE will have to bear for their interference in actioning climate change back to them Radical thought huh?
no. you still don't un derstand the difference between a lie (a deliberate attempt to deceive) and a mistake (an error). this may be because you have tendency to regard certain lies as truth. the deliberate campaign to deceive has been well documented - see Merchants of doubt - a well researched book looking at the deliberate attempts to spread lies on issues such as climate change.
Oh right. The heat at the bottom just sort of jumps to the top, without heating any of the water in between. Brilliant.
It does heat the water between or else the water between would be beyond freezing. Most of the heat is pushed to the top, like it always is, by changing the density of the molecules so that they wheigh less than the ones surrounding them.
I know what the first article was about. I showed it so that you can see that the oceans at the floor are heating. I figured you would believe it more coming from a global warming supporter. I the article starts with the data and the results. The results are that the ocean is heating even at greater depths. So far they presented all data and facts. End the end they made an unsupported conclusion that it was caused by global warming. They did not even give a hint of evidence or reason to support their conclusion.
