Russia is transferring forces even from ... Siberia to the Ukrainian border

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  1. DEFinning

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    I think your analysis is wrong. You believe Vlad expects better treatment from the President who called him a, "killer," than the guy who took Putin's word over his own Intelligence Services ("I don't know why Russia would be involved"). It doesn't make sense. Trump was for NOT getting involved in international conflicts. He pulled out of Syria & let Russia run the show. Your opinion is obviously not based on your logical assessment, but on some partisan, emotional reaction which makes you instinctively associate Republicans (even fake ones, like Trump) as militarily tough, & Dems as weak. This impression is not based on reality. After decades of diddling around in Viet Nam, who finally plunged us in with both feet-- & under false pretenses, no less-- Lyndon Johnson. Despite all the saber-rattling, for more than half a century, at Cuba, who is the only President with the oversized Cajones to back a planned coup-- using the word, "planned," quite loosely-- John F. Kennedy. Kinda of makes Reagan's Grenada invasion seem unambitious, doesn't it?

    Don't mistake these examples for praise, from me. I am not partisan, but factual. This does come across as partisan, of course, to true partisans, who associate commendation to mean,"their side," & criticism to signal the demonized opposition. So how to interpret my saying that what Johnson did was criminal, & what Kennedy signed off on was idiotic, yet not agreeing with you that all Dems are wimps, & all Repub. Presidents are to be crossed only at your own country's risk? It's called clear vision. And, while that does not mean that I can't be wrong, it reduces any errors that would be attributable, as they are in all partisans, to looking at things through shaded lenses.

    I believe it makes a lot more sense that Putin's move has to do with Europe's preoccupation with Covid-19, now that his own country has its own vaccine, for which I'll bet Vlad was sure to put his soldiers very near the front of the immunization line.

    In fact, that Putin has not yet pulled the trigger on this exploit, may well have something to do with Biden's unexpectedly harsh language of criticism. You see, there is something Putin puts ahead of his own country's interests: his own interests. Up till now, any sanctions against, "Russia," have not affected Putin's personal finances. Since Biden so surprisingly-- to me, as well-- got undiplomatically in Putin's face (even by standards before the days of deferential Donald), I have been wondering if it had Vlad considering the possibility that Biden would push for sanctions aimed directly at him.

    I'm not predicting, in full, how Biden will respond. But I think there is the real possibility that Putin may not be sure, either.

    Tell me, Mr. Ditka, what, "things" has China been doing with Taiwan, that they hadn't been doing the entire time DJ Trump had been calling the tune for our military? Did they stop building their artificial, military islands, in the South China Sea?

    And Putin may have started with Ukraine while Obama was Prez, but that's because, up till then, he had a puppet leader in his pocket, & was not so concerned with Ukraine joining the E.U. or NATO. You are confusing actions that arise out of circumstance & opportunity to being coordinated with whoever the U.S. President happens to be. If Putin could hear you, he'd probably laugh so hard, vodka would come squirting out his nose! Do you forget that under G.W. "Gonzo" Bush, with us & NATO having 100,000 troops in Iraq, good ol' partisan Vlad felt comfortable stepping right next door, into Georgia? Do you really think he gives a crap about which U.S. Party controls the White House?

    Yeah, WE'RE pushing & provoking Russia, which has been alternately interfering in our, & other countries', elections, moving its troops in to occupy parts of the former Soviet Union, and, just to keep things interesting, using sound waves to debilitate our diplomats, or using banned nuclear poisons to kill people in other countries. No matter how separated from reality the hyper-partisan views here get, Jeanette, your opinions can always be counted on to have that little extra, delusionary, "something," that sets them a dimension apart.
     
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  2. Durandal

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    :applause: You, sir, are an asset to this forum.

    Do you really think Putin is hung up worrying about sanctions that might affect his personal finances, though? That seems like a petty reason to hold back on invading a neighboring country to steal more territory. It would be a massive gamble for him with or without sanctions in the mix.

    I wonder if he and the Chinese have hopes and plans to strike out at the same time in different places, though. Xi moves on Taiwan, Putin moves on Ukraine, and the west is dumbstruck and full of useful idiots who are cheering Putin on, at least, if not China as well, instead of supporting and calling for NATO and/or American intervention. I can't help but think of these years of online disinformation we have experienced from Russia in particular as being designed to weaken us even as a potential military opponent in such a scenario. Then there are those massive intrusions into our networks to consider! In addition to being socially weakened as a unified nation and fighting force, they've gotten their grubby mitts on who knows how much intel straight from high-up sources thanks to gaining access to sensitive networks and email accounts through the SolarWinds hack, at the very least, giving them Putin-knows-how-much information they could exploit and any number of back doors into our infrastructure for use in wartime.
     
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    I'm still waiting for that "live debate between Vlad and Biden, which Putin proposed to Biden after being called a "killer". Did I miss it by any chance? It appears to me Biden is playing chicken and avoiding the confrontation. Can't blame him! "A shark such as Putin will always smell blood in the water, and Biden is hemorrhaging."

    Read about it here:
    https://www.westernjournal.com/biden-wades-little-deep-killer-putin-issues-direct-challenge/
     
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    Amen, some of her posts 'proving' that voting machines had been hacked during the last election were farcical.
     
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    We need a boogeyman.....Russkis make for convenient door mats.
     
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    I posted this yesterday. I guess it's easy to stay in power if you keep rewriting the rules.

     
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    Damn, you have a real future as a remote mind reader...I simply said this administration is going to be "tried" by world leaders to see how far they can push it. And by the way, whether YOU or ANYONE else likes it, OUR hands are just as bloody as the next guys when it comes to dirty deeds done dirt cheap or otherwise in other countries affairs...the REAL reason we're DESPISED in many parts of the world.
     
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    I think it is inevitable that at some point Russia is going to have enough encroachment by NATO. IMO it's way past time.
     
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    Yeah?....whats Russia going to do about it?

    Nothing much.....
     
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    Example? Seems to me that we are blamed and vilified for more than we actually do.
     
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    Hardly....Biden is deliberately ignoring Platform shoes Putinka....probably drives him crazy.....not being treated as an equal,LOL.
     
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    ROFL....Crimea "voted"....yeah I read that....113% turnout in some areas??...Wow...they must've had Fido the dog and Fifi the Cheshire cat vote also....I heard lotsa guns around while they were "voting"....and no intl monitors....which is needed in that part of the world?

    I hear Krym is going dry? No warm showers most days....I thought life is wonderful?:laughing:
     
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    I guess you are thinking about Detroit or a host of other Democrat run cities last November.

    Fact is that there were international monitors in Crimea, even from the US. All said it was legit.

    https://tass.com/politics/994765

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...upported-by-the-crimean-people-250658201.html

    Why don’t you talk about the ongoing war crimes perpetrated by Ukraine? Oh yeah, you mentioned it (one instance). Trying to starve the Crimeans of water by purposely cutting off a natural water supply.

    Why don’t you tell us about the mass graves of civilians in the Donbass?
     
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    They're sending larger incursions into Taiwan's ADIZ than they ever did during President Trump's administration, for one thing.
     
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    Self-knowledge is the first step towards betterment!! :applause:
    (highlights are mine.)
     
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    Possible.

    Both Putin and Xi are nationalists.

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    As was Hitler. Nationalism is dangerous in all its forms due to its close resemblance to religion and the similar effect it has on people's moral reasoning.
     
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    Russian news site....im sure its really legit....LOL.

    Why should Ukraine supply water yo the peninsula....its the job of the occupier(Russki military ) to do that? Or are you claiming that "Russian water"ROFL.

    Mass Graves in Donbass?....yes your right....Russia should provide evidence of their crimes against humanity.

    But you know what @ Bill Carson....when Ukraine joins Nato....that will all be exposed and Donbas is reintegration back into Ukraine.
     
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    Yeah, PR Newswire....so Russian LOL

    Ukraine will never he part of Nato. Nato actually has run its course and now is nothing more than a waste of tax dollars.

    If Ukraine wises up, then Russia will leave them alone. If they keep up the genocide, Russian tanks will be in Maidan Square in a matter of days after they get the green light.
     
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    "Ukraine will never be part of NATO"?

    I recall hearing the same thing about Latvia,Lithuania,Estonia?

    They're part of NATO....imagine that.....and luvin' it a matter of fact!:)

    If Ukraine wises up....Russia will leave them alone"?? Hahahahaha....what genocide?

    Russia is bogged down in DPR....and Krym is thirsty....:happycry:
     
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    The original definition of nation [therefore nationalism] is a people who share the same race, religion, language, culture, heritage, history and territory.

    Today, the few nations that still exist are being systematically destroyed by anti-nationalist multi-racial, multi-religious, multi-cultural no borders globalists.

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    I believe the break away Republics of Georgia; Abhazia and S. Ossetia would like to join the Russian Federations the same as the breakaway ones of Donetsk and Lugansk in Ukraine, but it's an expensive proposition and politically not feasible. What Putin would want is for them to be united to a friendly Georgia the same as the Donbass ones to be united with a friendly Ukraine. But as long as the US is involved in those countries though, they can't be.

    Notice that when Crimea was forcefully occupied by Ukraine there were no complaints by the US. In 2014 Crimea asked to unite with Russia out of fear that if they didn't, Ukraine would invade and occupy them again.

    Once the Hague voted on Kosovo that people had a right to their own determination, it gave Crimea the right to throw off the junta in Kiev, and hold a referendum for independence.
     
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    Nationalism brings about conflict. Let's tear down those barriers and live as one world. We're one human species, so why not? It's also a good way to work towards distributing wealth and resources more evenly and making everyone wealthier, happier and more secure in every way.

    You seem to want division and bloodshed. You seem to deem this a positive for humanity.
     
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    Heh, I'm sorry but I actually laughed out loud at that! It's pretty funny!
     
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    I'm adamantly against globalism/internationalism, since it's a means of control, and I'm a firm believer in individual rights and freedom.

    As for nationalism, there's a difference between it and patriotism. Patriotism is a love of one's culture, faith, and heritage, etc. To be willing to fight to defend it when under attack is a virtue. Nationalism on the other hand is 'supremacism' and therefore a sin. It's the belief that your own ethnicity, culture and standards are above that of others, therefore you have the right to attack others, conquer, subdue and even enslave them.

    I noticed that certain countries and cultures in central Europe tend towards nationalism, while other cultures like the English, Latin and Orthodox ones do not. I also noticed that Islam has a nationalistic tendency even though it's a faith and not a nation or ethnicity.

    Anyway, it's just my observations.
     
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