Russia vows to stop USA from "taking over Ukraine".

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  1. ManYacK

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    Yes, she has a very good weapon. Qualitatively American weapons that have been shipped by planes in recent weeks. ;-)
    Look. Ukraine is in full preparation for war, even forced women to register with the military registration and enlistment office. And in Russia they don’t talk about the war at all. Those who do not watch the news do not even suspect that there is some kind of conflict. In Russia, there is no premonition of war at all.
     
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    It looks like this picture was taken during tactical portion of the training. The civilians do practice shooting with a range of different real weapons and they do shoot live rounds.

    I hope you are right and that beautiful Ukrainian girl won’t have to shoot at your troops.
     
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    I hope our government arranged some mechanism that enables civilian access to weapons and ammo we shipped them. Ukrainians themselves are the best defenders of their land, nobody else. Enemy’s morale will quickly wear off if they are being shot at by civilians from every possible direction.
     
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    It would be better to train in paintball - more push and skill.
    nonsense
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Not nonsense....they will be.

    Lots dead vatniks....like Stalingrad.
     
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    Quite possible.
     
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    Not nonsense! Those people treat you as a threat. That picture alone proves how civilians feel about seeing Russian troops on their streets. If they are taking their time to do this training then one can reason that they seriously consider using those skills if invasion comes. You won’t be welcomed with bread and salt, that’s for sure. :lol:
     
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    I’m an experienced firearm owner and I can assure you that the only way you can learn how to use a real weapon, is by practicing with the real weapon.
     
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    A civilian with a weapon in his hands in a war zone ceases to be civilian by definition.
    What skill? To press the finger of a manicure on the trigger of a wooden rifle? Very useful skill!
     
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    Wow, that’s quite a short attention span there
     
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    Thedimon, I agree that if any citizen wants to protect his country of imminent invasion (in which he personally believes), he has the right to train regardless of gender and nationality.
    But it has to be practice. With heavy weapons, with which you need to fall into the mud, managing to hide from the enemy. War games like Paintball or Lasertag are more appropriate.
    They are able to give real skills and at least some idea of what will happen in a real battle. What can this lady do? NOTHING.
    It's photo just propaganda and building up hysteria
     
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    No kidding....then maybe you wouldn't wanna be in her line of fire then, unless one fancies a lead Aspirin?
     
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    You are wrong. Civilians like her don’t have to engage in direct combat - she can kill opportunistically, when she feels safe. That’s the horrors part for a soldier to be in such a hostile crowd - they’ll kill you when others aren’t watching, it’s not a question of if, it’s a question of when.
     
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    That's true...it must be quite disconcerting for the Kremlin clown to see this and no outpouring of support even in Russian speaking areas like Kharkiv,Mariupol,Odessa.
     
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    Ukraine is making some very smart moves with this civilian preparation.
    I remember talking to a former Soviet soldier who fought in Afghanistan and he was telling a story that, I believe, happened to him in Afghanistan during his deployment - their group was waking up to find one of their members quietly stabbed almost every night. They couldn’t figure out how an afghan could sneak in to their camp undetected, and they never did find out, but this almost daily decrease in their head count resulted in some of his fellow troops literally losing their minds. He was saying that was the most traumatic experience he ever had to go through.
    Guarilla warfare knows no honor - you can shoot in the back, no one who matters to you will judge. Training a large number of civilians to participate in defense will subject Russian troops to similar experiences.
     
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    Manicured fingers
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    News Outlets have been completely ridiculously war hawkish with the propaganda of the Ukraine-Russia stand-off, and
    an overwhelming amount of Americans are disgusted by the Democrat Media's pom waiving. I saw CNN play a video I knew was fake cause it was an over the top staging/faking a large protest against Russia with people wearing and waiving Ukranian Flags. All of them. You can find a bunch of these clown shows on duckduckgo.com.
    https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-only-ukrainians-protest-against-russian-bikers/

    Now I'm supposed to believe the baseless Intelligence Reports coming out of the Biden Administration about a false flag video of a Ukrainian terrorist blowing himself up so the Russians can justify a war in Ukraine. "Prove it" (paraphrase) said a reporter in the press gallery. The Biden Official replied by calling reporters questing the data as 'Russian Propagandists'. I've watched dozens of interviews with normally dressed Ukrainian Citizens that are not concerned about an invasion, or are completely un-phased by it. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. I'm seeing these garbage propaganda explanations and staged video analyses despite the fact that the US media and internet outlets censor free speech so they can spread party propaganda and misinformation. Where is the proof? Oh you got a Satellite Image of Russian Troop buildup surrounding Ukraine? Convince me. I remember a satellite photo of WMD facilities in Iraq that turned out to not to be true. I remember when Biden was VP of the Administration that handed weapons over to an Islamic Terrorist Group in Syria and then left that same rebranded group enormous advanced weaponry in Afghanistan. Sorry. F-off US Intelligence and UK Gossipers that fabricated the Trump-Russia hoax that severely damage our nation. For all I know, we could be heading into a war with Russia cause Zelensky has dirt on Biden and other politicians about bribes they took from Ukrainian business.

    Even if NATO is telling the truth, I and about 60% of Americans will vehemently, aggressively, and possibly violently oppose a war with the Russians over Ukraine, and demonstrate against intervention if Biden leads us into a conflict. I have no appetite for a war, particularly one where our President is a vegetable that is completely unable to manage his personal and radical base of Fascists. I do not trust, and I will never trust him of his party. They are trying to take away our God-Given Right to Self Defense by taking away our guns. That's why they got concentration camps in China and Australia. So hell no. I have no interest in helping the NATO allies that are allowing left-wing Nazis to interfere with our Democratic Privilege that was established in Europe by our Constitutional Republic.
     
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    Oh I saw somebody claiming them separatists were almost all not Ukrainians while also criminals and nazi's. I didn't take it for face value, and found that most of them are Ukrainians. While I knew that Ukrainians like far right wing nationalism... and behold, the government made a nazi war criminal into their hero. That's the ballpark.

    And no. I won't retract my claims about Bandera. The guy is a nazi war criminal. It's not just my opinion, but the opinion of Poland, and a Jewish organization who investigates war crimes of WWII. And oh yeah, you're busy white washing his crimes by demanding proof... as if being a founder of an organization who got the removal of ethnic civilians as a core principle is up for debate. It's not.
     
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    It's not up for debate that the guy is a founder of an organization who got the removal of civilians as part of it's policy. That, besides he immediately cooperated with the nazi's when he got released. The proof is there. So your comparisons are whataboutism.
     
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    He is not relevant to the point the US lied about WMD's. What remains is that on October 6, 2004, the head of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), Charles Duelfer, announced to the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee that the group found no evidence that Iraq under Saddam Hussein had produced and stockpiled any weapons of mass destruction since 1991, when UN sanctions were imposed. And the so called "evidence" the US presented, were never really any facts. They just made it up. Chemical labs in trucks, bla bla bla... they had some sciencefiction story writers going at it, so the GOP could start a new war. EU thanks the US for causing millions of people to flee to them, and causing ISIS to spawn.... where the US didn't help out to clean their mess, but asked the EU to help them out instead.
     
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    No wonder Russia wants to invade ff the Ukrainian Soldiers look like that .. making sure to take many prisoners :)
     
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    Here are some girls in FINLAND. This tiny nation has just received a note demanding to know its position
    on joining NATO. And Sweden got one too. Putin's behavior is having the opposite effect - even the manicured
    hands of young girls in the Baltics, Ukraine and Sweden are learning to shoot for their nation's survival.

    Finland.jpg
     
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    Tell me, if this was 1939 and Hitler was smashing into England's air defences, preparing to invade
    the island - would you have joined those Americans who said 'Even if it was true, it's none of our business' ????
     
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    Poohbear, I have nothing against gun training in the field...but wooden rifles? After all that cargo of weapons that the United States sent to Ukraine?
     
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    Yeah, they are civilians that were practicing tactical moves. Nobody wants someone to get hurt by an accident. All those people who attended did get to practice shooting from real weapons. Just because that girl in the picture was carrying a wooden representation of the real weapon doesn’t mean she doesn’t know how to load the real thing and how to shoot from it.
     
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