Russian fighter jet shot down in Syria's Idlib province

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    I believe he keep in mind something else... I am taller 6' 3"...
     
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    I think it's different. Most of those millions were civilians. They didn't choose the methods of the war, they weren't killed on battlefield.
     
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    100% Pro-American terrorists killed the Russian pilot on the orders of the United States.
     
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    Back to the thread...
    Looks like again Turkey's friends shot down Russian airplane. What will be the reaction?
     
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    The Soviets tactics during WW ll were using a large artillery barrage followed up with a massive frontal attack.

    FYI:
    The only time the German Wehrmacht was defeated on the battlefield was when they were superiorly outnumbered.


    No one knows for sure what the Russians army tactics would be used today but it's likely they may have adopted America's tactics that were adopted during the 1980's of maneuver warfare.

    Where the Russians have an edge over the American military today is in electronic warfare.
     
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    This song has a beautiful text, but foreigners will not understand it. And without the text - the perception is not the same. Just a little chronicle ...

    I can only add that most of the filming from the cockpit is the recording of the Su-25 pilot Mikhail Kuslin. He often, violating all prohibitions, took with him to combat missions a heavy 3-kilogram camera "Panasonic" and managed to do it from hand to video shooting of his flights. I have a hard time imagining how to maneuver with a single-handed attack aircraft with large overloads, and the other - to keep an old heavy video camera. But thanks to him, we today have many hours of unique video recordings. Many of these videos are laid out on YouTube:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/kuslin2/videos
     
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    Now Russia not bombs the Pro-Turkish groups.
     
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    Stick your dick in the water with sharks and you should be prepared to have it bitten off. Just sayin'...
     
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    It's how wars are fought today. Usually more civilians are killed than soldiers.
     
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    Just do not pretend to be a great expert on the tactics of the Soviet army.
     
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    But not by america nor Durandal. And neither ever quite accepted it.
     
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    It is not for foreigners.
     
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    The total combat losses were 1.3 : 1 in favor of Germany. The difference is not so big.

    At the beginning of the war, when the Soviet army was defeated? Of course.

    At the end of the war, when the Wehrmacht was defeated? On the contrary, the Soviet army suffered much less losses than the German army.

    For example, during the assault on Koenigsberg, the Wehrmacht lost 42,000 soldiers. The loss of the USSR is 3,700 soldiers. 11 : 1 in favor of the USSR. And, after all, Koenigsberg was a fortified city. And for the Germans they threw all their forces for his retention.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Königsberg
     
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    Self defense?
     
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    You may certainly be right, I wouldn't doubt it. I wondered if there was a 'signature' of some kind that might conclusively identify the missile as coming from an American-provided MANPAD.
     
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    I have no idea what tactics the Russian army would use today.

    Neither does the U.S. military.

    But when I look at photos of todays Russian soldiers I look at their eyes looking for if their eyes are glassy looking, signs of alcoholism.
     
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    About 25% of the dead soldiers were pows. The Germans killed 3 million pows.
     
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    Russia is not attacking the Kurds.
     
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    A German corporal ran the war during WW ll.

    After WW ll American and the British debriefed all German officers and everyone was asked "Why do you think you lost the war " ?

    Almost all answered with the same answer.

    Hitler and that Germany didn't wage total war until 1943 and by then they had already lost the war.

    Where as the British, USA and Russia fought total war from day one.

    The United States has only fought two wars as total war, the American Civil War and the Second World War.
     
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    I think it's fair for all wars of all times.
    "A massive frontal attack" sounds negative, like not-flexible, stupid etc. But Soviet tactics changed during the war. Artillery barrage was effective when artillery could provide some level of effective fire - that first of all means communication, logistics, direction, high professional skills of gunners and so on. Also special training for infantry, communication between divisions, special tactics to storm German defence lines, mine clearing and many-many more details. Red Army learned all of that step by step and it took quite a long time, but after 1943 Red Army achieved some excellency at conducting military operations against German forces. Brilliant operations like Jassy–Kishinev Offensive, for example, where the rate of losses was about 1:10 in favour of Red Army.
    So, it wasn't some sort of choice - how to win well without bad casualties. Red Army - through fire and blood, through war and practice - found the technology that allowed to defeat German army.
     
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    You forgot to write that Russians drink a liter of vodka every morning))) The dogs bark, but the caravan goes!
     
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    That's what I have heard while U.S. Marines eat babies every morning for breakfast.
     
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    Napoleon lost because of the winter. The Germans lost because of the winter. The West constantly whines about it.
     
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    A normal person will not write such nonsense.
     
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    I was given another thought in a different forum, which I missed outright. If it were a MANPADS from the Kurds, then the first Turkish planes would be shot down, which today are bombing the Kurds. So, no, this MANPADS, apparently, came from another place.
     

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