Sanders Coup Attempt Against Biden

Yeah, but our politicians were involved in the negotiating the agreements signed off on the trade treaties which trashed American jobs.

We elected crappy negotiators (until Trump). I'm sure Socialists will be better.

 

The problem was sending our jobs overseas in the first place. You can blame the American public (wanted cheaper stuff) and business (provided cheaper stuff.) Business can do just fine without trade agreements. In fact it normally does better when government butts out.

We didn't negotiate at all. We were so concerned about what other countries think of us they put America last. Apparently we still want that.

 

What is with your "blame" crap. I don't blame anyone for their financial situation and I never blamed anyone for my humble beginnings -- but it lit a fire under me and I worked for wealth that I never imagined was possible. Thanks to the great USA. Everyone should try working hard, promoting themselves, investing, and see what comes their way.

 

Good on him but I am fairly certain Sanders who got little to nothing done before will get little to nothing done hereafter in his waning days on earth.

 

which is fine, Biden doesn't have a fragile ego like Trump, he invites alternative views

 

as a Biden supporter, hope Biden works with Bernie

 

Since I haven't read all your posts. I was unaware. But please note Trump has done everything in his powers to speed up the process of acquiring that vaccine.

 

Bernie is a lot more coherent than Biden. Bernie is "young old". Biden is "old old".

 

Then we need much more of our population to become contributors to our society versus net beneficiaries.

 

Well, yes it does. It allows your economy to remain strong, because the virus is suppressed to a point where life returns to normal.

He could have locked the entire nation down, closed all state and national borders, and been shot of the virus within a few months. Instead you have this never-ending COVID twilight, which is killing your economy. And the numbers are getting worse, not better.

 

They are the level playing field we all appreciate. Everything beyond that is up to the individual.

 

But everyone has access to that same help.

Unless you know of some law which prevents people exploiting that help to better themselves?

 

Others tried, it does not work, India has been under a very strict lockdown, their cases are skyrocketing..... And even if the lockdown succeeds, the moment you reopen the country the virus is back.

What about other side effects of multi-month lockdowns, collapsed economy, poverty, homelessness, depressions, alcoholism, drug abuse, mental health issues, mental problems among children, educational problems.... and again, no guarantee that this will starve the virus to death...and no guarantee that it won't come back the moment you attempt to reopen.

 

That's true. I'm a Lefty, but loathe Progressives.

 

Well, no. Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, China, New Zealand, Australia etc .. these are the nations which actually locked down properly. Very early restrictions, and in some of those nations (my own included) all non-essential movement stopped. In some you couldn't travel further than you could walk. In New Zealand the limit was 2km. In Australia it was 5km. Look at those nations today, compared to America and Europe. Their economies are in growth, and life has returned to almost as it was pre-COVID. A short burst of aggressive suppression is enough to put this virus out of circulation. It just isn't in the community anymore, so it can't easily 'come back'. Further, most of those nations mentioned ARE reopened, and nothing has happened. If the virus isn't in the community, and everyone coming from overseas is quarantined for 14 days, it doesn't 'come back' other than in isolated small outbreaks here and there. When your national protocols are set up to deal with these small outbreaks quickly, they don't get away from you. It just has to be decisive and 'tough'.

As for the fallout .... that becomes a big issue if you don't go in fast and hard. Look at Europe and America, literally and figuratively dying under the weight of uncontrolled COVID, while we in the East are virtually back to normal. I guarantee the damage from never-ending uncertainty and economic erosion, is far worse than that of a fast and hard approach. Our pain is more acute, but it's over with much faster - and the certainty we have afterwards is hugely significant in terms of mental health.

If you're still unsure, check out current data on economic recovery and general welfare (in relation to COVID). The nations doing the best - by a big margin - in all measures are exactly those I gave as examples above.

 

Bernie is doing this for what purpose? The Socialists were promised the moon but the Globalists have NO intentions of giving them anything.

In fact, the Globalists are more adverse to the Socialists than they are of Trump.

 

even if not, still better than Trump, that said, I think you're wrong

 

In your view what's the difference between a "lefty" such as yourself and a progressive?

 

Interestingly Japan never had a lockdown, never did contact tracing, never had heavy testing...
https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...t-the-virus-without-lockdowns-or-mass-testing

South Korea never had a lockdown either
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/fe...navirus-without-a-lockdown-a-model-to-follow-

Taiwan did not have a lockdown
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-crisis-eases-n1188781

I frankly don't think Australia and New Zealand are very good examples either given their relatively small size and especially geographic isolation. Any comparison with the US or Europe is not quite apples to apples, it's infinitely easier to protect an isolated island than a country with borders, surrounded by other countries with hundreds of millions of residents.

 

Ah ha! The point of this thread. Once Biden (or whoever writes his scripts) becomes president, the fireworks begin!

Thanks for getting back on topic.

 

Glad more folk are starting to recognise this. State Socialism would be kinda okay by comparison (not that I'm recommending it!).

 

The 'strength' of the lockdown is commensurate with the compliance of the populace. In Asian nations people are more compliant than in Western nations (because they have a greater sense of social responsibility), so less regulations are needed. But this also applies to post-outbreak behaviour, and that's where regulations are important in citizenry with less willingness to voluntarily comply. You achieve that behaviour by culture or by law. But either way, it's essential.

As for land borders, Vietnam and Thailand have doozies.

 

Well I'm on the Left, and Progressives are posturing sneering elite and middle-class white supremacists.

 

Cryptocurrencies, technology to get rid of the corrupt bankers and the private Federal Reserve debt pyramid system that is responsible for mass inequality worldwide.

 

Nay. Trump is the only U.S. leader in the way of the globalists. That's why Democrats and Socialists pretend to be one big happy family...against Trump. Once Trump is gone, the DINO's and RINO's will team up against the Socialists and the battle will be epic.

The United Nations is driving the globalism, and it's goals for the masses of us peons are for Socialist/Communist redistribution of wealth around the world (reducing our wealth to provide welfare to less wealthy countries). They're taxing wealth of 1st World western countries under "green - save the earth" labels, while cutting breaks and increasing wealth in China and others.

I expect the Trump Nationalists to go take a break in the corner for a bit and work on who to run in 2022 and 2024. lol