Santorum "Oops" moment - Supports State Right to Outlaw Contraception

Inability to distinguish threats from one another isn't a commendable characteristic.

 

No, there are fundie Muslims who will saw your head off with a kitchen knife while you are still alive, and there are fundie Christians who will knock on your door and invite you to their church. How is that even close to being the same thing?

 

Not at all.

 

If they make income why not charge them taxes, shared sacrifice, remember?

Not really, if you are ignorant on a subject it doesn't mean there is no argument.

http://atheism.about.com/od/churchestaxexemptions/a/whyitmatters.htm

American family pays on average $1000 a year due to missed revenue.

 

Your answer is blithe deflection. Unions have no right to require membership or dues paying.

 

they dont require anything.....are you a union member? why werent you forced?

 

You are correct.

People are also free to not join unions and go work in non union jobs.

 

Then don't join the union and look for a non-union job. How simple is that?

 

They are a non-profit, and they are - additionally - a religious institution. IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO TAX RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS.

Do you not have the software to compute that truth?

Do you wish to tax all non-profits now? Do you understand much about this topic?

By that standard, "American family" pays more because everyone's taxes aren't higher.



It is not your money, nor will it ever be. I am not interested in supporting your attempt to abrogate the Constitution of the US because you don't like that churches do not pay taxes.

 

A true conservative shouldn't be against unions, they should be against special interest entities like unions/corporations, donating campaign funds for political gain, which should include non-profits organizations (churches especially), clubs/guilds, or anyone bribing politicians they are themselves ineligible to cast a vote for.
　
　
A true conservative, should never vote republican or democrat for the exact same reason. Neither party represents what is best for the country as a whole, and/or displays true conservative ideals.

 

You mean 'simplistic'. Unions should not be given the role of the employer, and co-opting the role of the employer should not be allowed.

By that standard, if a guy doesn't want to hire a black man, then you should have no objection to it.

 

Where is this written?

 

Is that why righties oppose the civil rights act? Because unions discriminate?

 

Unions do neither

 

Your inability is the anility to distinguish Taliban from American Taliban. For instance...

http://adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

 

Care to cite Constitution?

So now me paying higher taxes because someone is tax-exempt is OK, because those money were never "mine", I see.... Using same logic you shouldn't object people making less then poverty limit not to pay taxes because there are also tax-exempt?

 

Good point.

 

Absolutely. People have a right to assemble.

Once people are assembled, however, they should have no right to impact the freedoms of others, and forcing compliance to a Union is such a violation.

 

People seem to forget, this the best of a free nation! Don't like your state, local laws MOVE. Feds shouldn't have any control over states rights! Progressives seem to think feds should control everything from Washington!

 

Unions are not covered under your "right to assemble". You have a right to free association.

The USSC ruled that collective bargaining is perfectly legal and constitutional. No one forces a company to contract with unions. They are free to not have the business of union members and their supporters.

 

Oh brother.

That website is pathetic. People have a right to opinions. Right or wrong - choosing to dissect the honesty of taking each statement as presented or not - they're just opinions (and I saw at least one that I KNOW was taken utterly out of context, and another which is correct, but not worth arguing with you).

That "American Taliban" you've bloviating about isn't a murderous group, and hasn't killed anyone in the name of their God.

Don't put up stupid posts.

 

You're skirting issues here. What do you mean "not covered"? Of course they are. And I already said that you have a right to free association. I then followed it up with things you do NOT have a right to do.

So? That doesn't mean that they have a RIGHT to collectively bargain, because they don't. This is a departure from the topic regardless. Can you stay on topic? I am not going to chase you down leftist cubbyholes.

This has nothing to do with what I wrote.

 

Actually, it is the right of free association.

But I like being chased down leftist cubbyholes, whatever those are.

The USSC has ruled that unions are perfectly in line with the Constitution. Collective bargaining has been ruled constitutional.

 

Nobody is forcing them to work under good conditions with exceptional pay and benefits, they are free to work under horrendous conditions with little pay and zero benefits, if that is more to their liking. But seriously, unions should not be taking union funding and donating those funds to political candidates/parties, period.

 

How do you feel you have the needed knowledge to discuss American issues when you're not an American, and you do not understand the Constitution?

Why do we not tax Universities?



First Amendment. An entity which is taxed by another entity is subservient to that entity. For that reason, taxing a church is an express violation of the First Amendment.

This has already been ruled by the SCOTUS - in Lemon v Kurtzman. This statement was also backed in Walz v Tax Commission.

They're not tax-exempt.

That would pass as logic with you. The problem is that there is no expressed separation of poor people and state. Income for the benefit of an individual can be Constitutionally taxed - if we allow it.

Not so for churches.

If that's the best you have, you'd better hit the drawing board again.