Satellite images reveal vast russian losses in Ukraine.

Yes when you get to Australia go ahead and pat the Kangaroos N... they're harmless
(hope they kick the **** out of you)

 

None of them will be told because you simply won't believe them. Western journalists have gone so far as to count the awarding of medals to Russians soldiers, and to link them to large battles in Ukraine.

They have footage of local news stations in Russia talking about Russians being recruited for the conflict. They've determined the average cost of recruiting a Russian to the fight. They've spoken about which groups of people the government tries to recruit, ex-soldiers, firemen, police.

It's all really quite well documented.

I said "military arms" for a reason. We're talking Russian military hardware.

I actually feel bad for Putin. He had to covertly invade Ukraine because his people wouldn't have gotten behind him on this geopolitical necessity. Must be lonely to be a national leader in this day and age.

 

The international law is my evidence, and absence of your normal proofs. All you presented are cheap, full of **** articles, based on ukrainian reports. Not persuasive for United Nations? Then it is not persuasive for me. Sorry for having STANDARTS, hun.

 

You are breaking international law... remember... sanctions how convenient your memory is...

 

And not-gonna-get-presented. Am I supposed to believe in that, especially due to lack of actual international response if anything like that is proven? Seriously now?

 

Well, if we look at Washington post - it is considered to be purely western media, right? I assume it would not make facts up that do not favor west? - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ment-is-falling-apart/?utm_term=.cc15fe8b5741 - according to it, USA supplies equipment to Ukraine. I pretty much can believe in weapon deals between rebels and Federation in such circubstances.

...but this does not means Federation has army operating there. USA makes money on this war - same is to be expected from other countries. In my book that is pretty much a crime, but this is not a military invasion. It's business.

 

So, you say that if one country invades another, all it gets - a hundred or so politicians sanctioned? Kinda weak and meek responce. And if we add there the "occupation" of Crimean republic, the "cyber attacks" - and all that rest of planet can do is sanction of small group of people? Unbeliveable. Quite simply - unbeliveable.

 

no you're making up **** to suit yourself... I'd love to hang around and argue some more (not).. I have things to do...I'll respond to more of your insults later today.

 

Well, if I making it all up - then where the according retaliation from international community? You do not get meek sanctions for invading other country.

Oh, and did I insulted you? Dear God, how could I, after all you said.

 

Lack of international response? Are we living on the same planet?

Whether or not you believe that international response is based on a true interpretation of events is your business, but there has been significant international response.

 

We do supply arms to Ukraine. See how easy that was? Try it.

 

Significant? Moderate sanctions of politians is now a "significant" response?

 

Well, at least show me this "Russian arms". I can't confirm what I can not check. Do not forget, rebels took control over some ukrainian military bases in region, and could be posessing arms that been located there. I want to be able to be sure we even supplied them.

 

I am not sold.

Suppose for the devil made me do it, you sold me? That would mean the Russians have their Ukraine and we have the Obama wars with Syria, Libya and Yemen.

Frankly, the major difference is we use bombs, missiles and artillery and some of our troops. What stops other nations from sanctioning us?

I just checked and thus far, no sanctions are in place imposed by the UN on Russia. .

Funny innit?

 

Oh the part why other Nations don't sanction us is because we own 28% of the world's GDP. Also the entire world's economy is based off our dollar.

Basically we are the big poker chip stack sitting at the table.... and all you can do is fold.. sometimes check but never call or raise against the US. We will eat you.

As to the OP, I'm interested now. Ima go poke around. Not sure why anyone cares if Russians are in the Ukraine but it is very interesting.

 

No insignia, some old kovpak in the middle, chechen mercs? This pic proves nothing.

 

See russian army? Because there none. Can prove otherwise? Do. Can't? Then I am not oblieged to prove I am not a camel.

 

Show me proof? Knockity knock, earth to Ninian, show me proof? You show me pic of 3 bozos? Lol, youve got eff all and you know it, just admit it.youve nothing to show to the contrary, of course you're not obliged...because you got nothing.

 

Yes. You know how much these sanctions hurt the Europeans, right?

And the Americans were never going to go to war over Ukraine. It was support and sanctions. The UN was never going to do anything, they didn't even think about doing anything to the Americans over Syria or Iraq.

Using the UN as a litmus test is a really bad idea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31146595

I know, biased state-owned media. But every reputable Western source weighing in on the subject agrees: The Russians are supplying both weaponry and bodies to the rebels in Eastern Ukraine.

You won't see me denying American actions around the world, in Libya or in Syria (we're barely involved in Yemen).

You tell me, what stops them?

 

They not supposed to be there by default, according to international law. If you can't prove they are there - by default they are not there. Admit - you got nothing, CNN got nothing, and Poroshenko got nothing. There will be no backing off from Crime, no reparations, and help God kievan politics when it all ends and they will be left alone with people having internet and lost relatives, and with no diplomatic immunity.

 

I never said that RF 100% does not supports weapons to rebels, I said our army is not involved...

But article disappoints me. "Russia tests new weapons" opens with Strela 10.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K35_Strela-10

In service since 1976, used by ukrainian army.

Later presented Grad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad

In service since 1963, used by ukrainian army.

Mentioned "drones" that can be bought, not even necessarily from RF, and communications systems. Again, thing that can be just bought. A-and.. That is about it. Article did not presented any modern russian tech, lots of words about "Ukraine facing russian tech", and no proof. Equipment either mentioned with no names, or mentioned soviet one, that been in service for half of century.

So, so far - nothing reliable pointing at RF. Literally.

 

Right, the point being that "international reaction" shouldn't be taken as some unbiased or unmotivated litmus test. The international reaction against Russian involvement in the Ukraine has been stronger than the international reaction to American involvement in Syria.

This isn't because one is "wrong" and the other "right," it's because each agent making up that reaction has reasons to react differently in each case.

 

Hey this gentleman is speaking the truth. Russians are all up in the Ukraine... Now that OPs picture how can we verify that? Can't.

But we can verify Russians are being recruited to " volunteer" some are citizens trained and some are asked to resign from current military duty and go. It's a fact. Also there's like alot of sourced documentation where Russia's special forces guys get captured or killed etc. In the Ukraine.

annnnd we the US about to give the Ukraine alot of money to " defend themselves" from the East. Big money.

annnnd Russia's diplomacy revolves around their officials yelling for implementation of the Minsk agreement by the Ukraine all the while sending people there to fight. IE the opposite. Haha I like it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sputni...1706261054969296-ukraine-us-weapons-supplies/

 

The interesting thing is why people have trouble accepting Russia's involvement in the conflict. The idea that Russia would be heavily involved in Syria, which they don't care about, but totally not involved in Ukraine, which is one of the most important countries to Russian foreign policy besides maybe the US and China, is completely insane.

The Russians don't trust the West. That's a reasonable position to take. The Russians understand that they can't defend against the West if Western troops are stationed in Ukraine. This is a good analysis of their geopolitical position.

So when a constitutional crisis ends in a coup and an extremely pro-Western government, what are they to do?

Kudos to Putin for having the balls to carry out this operation. I do believe that the man loves his country. But it's a shame that so many have died for nothing.

 

Then.. Verify?

I know there been volunteers, who illegally fought in Ukraine. Hell, there been a whole scandalous regiment of butchers formed from our neo-nazy and other inadequates, who went there at very beginning of war. Called themselves "Rusich", used pagan and nazy symbolics, tortured living and mutilated corpses. Had sort of competition with ukrainian "Aidar" on who will commit more creative atrosity and get more "collateral damage" in process. Not sure if any of them actually ever returned from war, and frankly hope last of them died slashing each other's throats - we have ban for death sentence, and this is one of rare cases when I may almost consider it being acceptable measure.

Sure there others, more adequate people - who just fight in war. But I did not heard about anybody being forced to go there - especially by government. Especially special forces - albeit their presence is at least more beliveable than this "conscripts driven in and dropped and buried in unmarked graves" bullshιt that people there keep insiting on.