Scared jews leaving europe

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  1. truth and justice

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    Borat would be absolutely correct if he was talking about 60 years ago, and mostly correct if he was talking 30 years ago. In present-day Israel, the decision has been made (consciously or subconsciously, depending on the individual) that Israel will not make a peace with the Palestineans and therefore it is alright to gradually drive the Palestineans out of the West Bank portion of Israel/Palestine.

    Just the antics of the Settler movement are enough to show any outsider paying a modicum of attention to this issue that Israel has lost most of its moral high ground in world opinion (outside of the USA and Germany, for different reasons). Personally, I think the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by an Israeli extremist and the subsequent dismantling of the peace plan by Benjamin Netanyahu marks the real turning point in world opinion. Up until then, poor Palestinean choices and the behavior of Egypt and Syria meant that Israel tended to get the benefit of the doubt; after that date, the case was otherwise.

    I challenge Borat to explain how Israeli policy toward the Palestineans in the last two decades (at the very least) has not blackened Israel's image. I also challenge him to explain how non-Israeli Jewish support for Israel (which has not wavered in the slightest) hasn't given ammunition to the anti-Semites and turned people neutral on the subject into people tolerant of increasingly blatant anti-Semitic behavior.

    Perhaps it's supposed to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. In order to have a Jewish-only homeland in Israel, Israel behaves worse and worse over time which causes more global anti-Semitism which causes more Jews to emigrate to Israel which allows Israel to behave even worse toward the Palestineans. The inevitable result of this will be either the forcible expulsion of the non-Gazan Palestineans or the creation of another mega-ghetto like Gaza in some miserable corner of the West Bank (probably just on the border with Jordan). Of course, the Israelis could always set up death camps instead ...

    Let's look at the cold hard facts. The Israelis don't want to make the Palestineans citizens but they have "occupied" their territory for 45 years. Between military bases, official settlements and theoretically illegal settlements (how do they get power, road service and permission to keep firearms on site?), the portions of the West Bank that the Palestineans still retain look like a piece of Swiss cheese, except the Palestinean portions are the holes. There is no stable economic climate, the Palestineans get whatever energy and water supplies the Israelis deign to give them and in many places Settlers are actively harassing their Palestinean neighbors (if the roles were reversed they'd be screaming "Nazis" and "anti-Semitism"

    There is therefore no longer any possible pre-conditions for an Israeli/Palestinean peace and it has been Israel whose actions since the Rabin era which have brought this state of affairs about. Why on earth wouldn't this provoke anger against Israel and against Jews who live elsewhere who vigorously support Israel? The true hypocrites are the Israelis, who pretend situation does not mean what it really means and that it is somehow still the Palestineans who are the biggest roadblock to peace.
     
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    Smart move. Europe has surrendered to the IslamoFascist invasion, anti-Semitics and Political Correctness. Time for the folk to be attacked to smell the coffee and get out while they can.
     
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    I believe there was a prophecy about another large immigration of Jews to Israel? Of course there was also the immigration of Jews from the Arab nations as well as from Russia....

    Anyway a lot of these things have been brought about by the Jews themselves. For instance, there was a time when I would get some pretty dirty looks when wearing a cross in New York City. Also I could never understand the continuous law suits by Jews in Europe for damages during the Nazi era? They were not the only people that suffered. Did they believe they were smarter by damanding reparations for everything when others did not?

    There was even a book written by a Jew calling the Pope a Nazi, when he not only risked the position of the Vatican by hiding twenty thousand Jews, but had his priests and nuns risk their lives by hiding Jews in hospitals in Rome. It must have appalled the Jews that were saved, because their gratitude was immense.

    Just how much can people push and push, without causing some kind of backlash, and I'm not talking about the Arabs here, I'm talking about a European backlash. Anyway it is best the Jews leave for their own good, because the situation in Europe is going to become quite dangerous...and especially so for the Muslims and the animosity the Europeans have towards them. In a few years, the situation in Europe ain't gonna be pretty. National Socialism comes to mind.
    :cynic:
     
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    Largely because the Ottomans who controlled that world stomped on anything that looked like disorder. When the Arab world began to govern itself, we got the world we see today.
     
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    Every time the Arabs lost a war they retaliated on the civilian Jews they could reach in their own countries...Oddly, the Jews leave.
     
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    Its a universal fact , those who identify themselves with an enemy must expect consequences. , be they Moor or Christian , Germans/Croats/Serbs - Roundheads or Royalist/ Confederate Rebels or Republicans , wars are acts of lunacy with no respect of civilians rights .

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    I would imagine that the OP would be thrilled if his made up, and totally unworthy 'links' in the OP, were actually real.

    They aren't.

    I could write one a hundred blogs today, that aliens have landed, then link you back to it in 'Latest World News'.

    It would be what it would be - lies and BS.

    Very charachteristic of their kind, given that all they do is built on lies and deceit.

    I personally just don't tolerate or pander to their behaviours anymore.

    Nor should anyone, that is not a supporter of them, and, who but liars and deceivers would wish to support liars and deceivers?

    Their cause is not a noble or righteous one.

    The cause of the Palestinians is a noble and righteous one.

    But remember this, and make no mistake - these people have been occupied for decades.

    The sins that have been done to them, they can never be redeemed now by the Jews, not that they seek it anyway.

    We are also occupied by these same sorts.

    In a different manner, for now anyway.

    They occupy our politics.

    They occupy our media.

    I could go on, but you get the idea.

    We have all been complacent, and still are,about their occupancy here, and elsewhere.

    But the world is waking up to their ways, no longer are we intimidated by their ways, their slander, their lies,and in the case of this OP specifically - their false and never ending persecution complex.

    A man does not stand aside and pander or cower to these people.

    You can see what they are like, every single day, there can be no denial of how little they think of non Jewish life, and do not think for one nano second that it is merely Arab life they have no regard for.

    If you are not Jewish, they have no regard for your life.

    People can distort tht how they wish, but it remains a fact.

    Put it this way.

    Do you imagine, for one split second, that if these Jews could get away with it, they would not do to you, what they have done to those poor kids, whose land they have occupied and stolen? Of course they would.

    Back in the 30's and 40's, the natives made a grave error. They thought that maybe they could trust the Jews to live peacefully alongside them.

    Little did they realise that the Jews do not share, the Jews have little in the way of morality, and due to the fact that the natives did not leglisate for that - look what has happened.

    Similar cowardice toward them, here, wherever you are, believing that you can appease them - it will only lead to the same thing, they will take all that they can from you, and when you try to say no, they would kill you and not blink.

    They are doing it now, anyway.

    Don't look to your politicians to stand up to them, they are all sell out's.

    It begins with each of you.

    They are losing, that is why they are getting so desperate.

    I suggest people pick a side, and pick it well, let humanity and goodness be your guide.
     
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    You are being very selective here, choosing only certain rights during a certain period and only legally not in practice. Not to mention making generalisations which with your notion of truth means ALL muslim women which quite clearly wasn't the case and by your truth makes you a liar and again on this basis you accuse your opponent of ignorance!

    Again a sweeping generalisation of Jews settling in Israel in the last few decades, so for ALL these Jews it wasn't a matter of survival. Where do you have that from? Many Jews have perished having left it too late to flee persecution. What makes you an expert to decide whether they need to or not?
     
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    The enemy of my enemy is my friend...it's an old saying. The Arabs and Turks were fearful of the Christians whose lands they occupied, so they befriended the Jews. :handshake: I know the Jews lived in the castles with the Turks while the Greeks and Latins lived outside the walls. Also when they were going to kill a Christian priest in retaliation for an uprising, they would give them to the Jews to either commit the act or to descrate the body.

    This doesn't mean the Christians were angels towards them, far from it, but I just want to give a more rounded picture since everything is always so one sided. I believe the Greeks lived peacefully with the Jews before the French and Italians colonized the lands, but I'm not sure. One thing is for certain though, the Jews were never a threat economically to the people living in that part of the world. The Turks had a saying that one Greek was worth two Jews in business, and one Armenian was worth two Greeks.
     
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    This is, once again, buying a one sided narrative, whch feeds their persecution complex.

    I am not accepting that in 109 lands, they were invited in, only so that, somewhere further down the line again, the people could kick them out.

    Seriously, you must see how much of a sleight that is on EVERYONE else, while, at the same time, making them out to be the entirely innocent victims, who never did a thing to induce antipathy toward them.

    It's a slur on Christians, and it is a slur on others, to be honest.

    Do you think the Jews are 'persecuted' today, Cass?

    Because, that is what they go on and on and on about, all the time, even when it is as clear as day, that they are the persecutors.

    Sorry, I am just not buying the crap that on 109 occasions, they never did a single thing to provoke antipathy toward them, and it was all everyone else, they are were all just bad and evil Christians, or whatever it may be.

    Look how they are today, come on, let's not kid ourselves, if that is what they are like today, liars, deceivers, usurers, playing all their usual tricks, are you truly and honestly telling me that prior to that, in the afrorementioned 109 lands, they never once behaved that way, and people never just got sick of it, and that all thier lying, their perversity, and their shillery, is a very recent thing?

    And that prior to this, they were all so lovely, and never did a thing to induce antipathy toward them.

    While everyone else was at fault.

    Christians, Muslims, etc etc, they are all at fault, and the Jews did no harm.

    Sorry - but if you are going to run with that narrative, you may as well go all the way, and get a job on Fox News.:)
     
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    Good.

    Someone with guts on PF.

    Stop making excuses for these peoople, you are right, call them out, and fark off their with victim status.

    It's cynical, it is weak, it is boring.

    Intelligent people do not buy it, and more and more people are aware and angry now, at what they have been doing.
     
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    So typical of you to ignore the rebutal.

    Maybe this will give you a clue:

    The future looks so bleak that by one estimate, around 30 Jewish families have already left for Stockholm, England or Israel, and more are preparing to go.

    ....

    Mr Eilenberg said he and his wife considered moving to Stockholm where Jews feel safer than in Malmo. "But we decided not to because in five years time I think it will be just as bad there," he said.
    "This is happening all over Europe. I have cousins who are leaving their homes in Amsterdam and France for the same reason as me."


    source
     
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    They use it as a free licence to conduct criminal and disgusting acts, moving freely around the US and Europe, before retreating to their criminal HQ.

    For a state of only around 6million, they are way over represented in OC, and every perversity that you can think of.

    Read...and think...

    'Promised land for organized crime?'


    Leaked document reveals US ambassador's concern over Israeli crime families' growing foothold in his country. Embassy 'using every available tool to limit organized crime travel to the United States, but such efforts are not always successful,' he writes in cable to State Department, FBI .

    Americans concerned by growing organized crime in Israel in past few years: In a cable sent from the US Embassy in Tel Aviv to the State Department in Washington and the FBI, American Ambassador James Cunningham showed impressive knowledge in the Israeli crime world and expressed his concern over its impact in the United States.

    In a document from May 2009 titled "Israel a promised land for organized crime?" Cunningham wrote that "Organized crime (OC) has longstanding roots in Israel, but in recent years there has been a sharp increase in the reach and impact of OC networks." .

    He noted that many of the Israeli crime families' operatives hold foreign passports, "allowing them to move freely in European countries, most of which participate in the visa waiver program with the United States." He admitted that the embassy's attempts to prevent criminals from reaching the US are not always successful.

    Etc...http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3992938,00.html


    Scared Jews?

    Lol.

    They are criminals, drug dealers, human traffickers, etc.
     
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    Jews do okay here in the United States. We welcome them. I like Woody Allen and Sarah Silverman. They make me laugh.
     
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    The major part of the increase in antisemitism in Europe is due to the increasing number of Muslim immigrants not the extreme left and certainly not ordinary folk sympathetic to the Palestinians in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
     
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    Excellent work, Marlowe, and it serves well my point, and that of anyone that is aware.

    I am not going to pander to their trickery, lies, and ways, anymore.

    Don't forget, this is much more than the fight that occupied people have had for 40+ years.

    Much more.

    Indeed, it would not be possible for that to have happened, had it not been for Jews here in Britain, and in the US.

    That's the bottom line.

    That is why, despite their 'homeland', they stay here.

    They need to.

    How else could they subvert us, if they all went away?

    This nonsense that on 109 occasions, lovely and humble Jews were invited into lands, and, for no reason at all, save for ALL Christians in the past being latter day 'Nazi's', that these lovely and polite Jews were persecuted, it belongs in the bin.

    It is a child like story, for someone of six.

    Since I don't regard you as being the sort of man that needs to be treated as a child, I trust you realise that if the Jews on those occasions, have the same manner that they do today,that maybe, just maybe, that was a factor in them getting kicked out, time and again.

    Edward 1st kicked them out, and they remained out for centuries.

    The reasons were NOT 'Christinans woke up one day, and decided to do some Jew hate, for no reason'.

    Maybe they did blame them for plotting to murder Jesus.

    So?

    It was true, they did.

    Does anyone have a problem with that, if they do, they have a problem with the truth of that situation.

    Ah, but then you will see the usual retort - 'but you cannot blame people collectively'.

    Why not?

    Is that not what Jews practice, as policy - collective punishment?

    They have taken advantage of values, honour, pity, empathy, they see those things as weakness to be exploited, and boy have they done that.

    But if one reads a bit, they find that among the reasons why the population got mad, and wanted them out, was also to do with their corruption of trade, and using usury as enslavement.

    And yes, if a minority are doing that to my people, our people, back then, yes, I would have wanted them out too.

    What is the alternative? Let them go on doing it, until they have total control? Who in their right mind would sell their own people out, to protect some explotiative Jews?

    And...they are doing it all over again!

    It's like one big cycle, they behave a certain way, and do not stop, people ask, we write, we canvass, we protest, we tire, we do all of that, and they will not stop.

    Then people get angry at the fact that they will not cease.

    The anger speads, and there you have your so called 'anti semitism'.

    It would be like people in your street nicking all your stuff, mudering your family, and when you fought back, saying 'SEE - HE HATES US'.

    It only works on a moron anymore.
     
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    Well, you Brits can whine about them all you want. We, on the otherhand, like them and send lots of aid to Israel. I think our largesse far outweighs your meaness. There's nothing you can do about it except dodge the rotten tomatos we throw at you, laughing.
     
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    Well - this is now an interesting conversation, albeit it began with an OP that was a pack of duff links to nowhere, and lies...;)

    Obviously, israel have been demented for years, trying to get jews to go there, and stay there.

    They tried to bribe the Iranian Jews with land and money, which is not esp generous, unless you regard my stealing something, then giving 1% of it to you, as being kind.

    It's called using bloody money, and the Iranian Jews said their national identity was not for sale.

    I won't even go into what these bloodsuckers offer to other settlers to go live there.

    Anyway, what you seem to be suggesting is an orchestrated attempt to cause antipathy toward Jews here, so that people rightly get so pished off with their crap, that the consensus turns against them, Jews can be alarmed(sigh), and maybe israel can frighten them into taking their backsides and their money over there.

    Could be.

    They are known to use this ploy.

    They used it to get land in the ME to start with, we know that Jews in the early part of the 1900's set out to induce anitpathy toward Jews at large, oh yes, they will backstab each other,make no mistake, and they will even use their own to get what they want, if need be, but that was their stated goal back then, to INDUCE antipathy toward Jews, then take advantage of it.

    It worked then.

    Maybe they hope it can work again.

    On top of that though, I think it is also to do with being raised with an obnoxious personality of entitlement, and false superiority.

    People just end up not liking them for it, simple as that.
     
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    On the contrary.

    Believe it or not, not all Americans are like you, Mandrake, and many would see you as a total sell out and a traitor to your own country.

    But you enjoy your tomatos.
     
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    No one is stopping them.

    Go then.

    If that is how they feel.

    And never come back.

    The info in the OP that you quote was still from a non source, btw, but don't let that stop you.
     
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    You are correct. The American Nazi Party, Christian Identity Movement and Ku Klux Klan don't like them
     
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    I'm a Brit. Please don't associate me with him. But having said that, I wouldn't want to be associated with you either.
     
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    Well you Yanks have always been a bit slow on the uptake

    get this :

    "Anti-Semitism on the Rise in America -- ADL Survey on Anti-Semitic Attitudes Reveals 17 Percent of Americans Hold "Hardcore" Beliefs


    New York, NY, June 11, 2002 … A nationwide survey released today by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) shows an increase in the number of Americans with anti-Semitic attitudes, reversing a ten-year decline and raising concerns that "an undercurrent of Jewish hatred persists in America."

    The national poll of 1,000 American adults conducted April 26 through May 6, 2002 found that 17% of Americans - or about 35 million adults - hold views about Jews that are "unquestionably anti-Semitic." Previous surveys commissioned by ADL over the last decade had indicated that anti-Semitism was in decline. A survey of attitudes four years ago found that the number of Americans with hardcore anti-Semitic beliefs had dropped from 20% in 1992, to 12% in 1998.

    The findings in brief … Strongly anti-Semitic:
    17% of Americans
    35% of Hispanics
    44% of foreign-born Hispanics
    20% of Hispanic Americans born in U.S.
    35% of African-Americans
    3% of U.S. college and university students


    "We are greatly concerned that many of the gains we had seen in building a more tolerant and accepting America have not taken hold as firmly as we had hoped, and have to some degree been reversed," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "While there are many factors at play, all of the evidence suggests that a strong undercurrent of Jewish hatred persists in America."

    One of the most important findings of ADL's 2002 Survey of Anti-Semitism in America concerns Hispanic Americans, one of the most significant and fastest growing segments of the American population, in which the poll found an extraordinary gap between those born in the United States and those born abroad. The survey revealed that while 44% of foreign-born Hispanics hold hardcore anti-Semitic beliefs, 20% of Hispanic Americans born in the U.S. fall into the same category.

    The anti-Semitic propensities of foreign-born Hispanics were significantly above the national average. Meanwhile, the number of African-Americans with strong anti-Semitic beliefs continued to hold steady at 35%.

    http://www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/4109_12.htm

    Nice to know there's an increasing american minority who have escaped AIPAC's brainwashing .


    LOL
     
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    So you're ok with Iranian jews but not with other jews?
     
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