scott e.'s new birther thread...

this is all uncharted territory boys... to say that obama is invulnerable or bigger than the constitution is just wrong.

national security letters, Subpoena ad testificandum.
the courst can subpoena testimomy. for instance, abercrombie, and fukino to oral tesitimony. fukino could not say under oath without perjury that the document is authentic, she is not an expert in that area.

this is a matter of national security. of course if obama is found guilty of any other crime... say social security # misuse, or real estate fraud, this opens the floodgates. but no matter what the process it really comes down to the popular opinion and demand, if aspersion has cast a doubt over obama's willingness to cooperate. the forgery on a federal site could lead to court involvement. it's really up to the people to ask why he isn't forthcoming, instead of acting like a guilty child saying "i already did, move on".. it's already way to big for that, people aren't so stupid as to believe that he could have ended this three years ago. but he didn't, and he still won't. i'll keep writing about the why.

 

Incorrect. There is plenty of precedent for bringing charges against a president. It's just that none of them involve going to a court.

Also incorrect. The court cannot subpoena testimony for a case that does not exist. As I have explained earlier, a case cannot exist. QED, the court cannot subpoena testimony. You're just not listening. Only Congress can subpoena testimony on a president. Now stop, and read that sentence again. Read that sentence again. Read that sentence again. Please keep reading that one sentence until you understand that a court cannot subpoena testimony against a president.

Potentially. But it needs to be done by Congress. The judicial system can NOT bring those against the president.

He's cooperating exactly as much as he needs to. Each time, just pointing out that they cannot bring a case. And the courts all agreed.

No. See, this is exactly where you are confused. If a public citizen makes a forgery, we get brought before the judicial branch for a trial. If the president makes a forgery, they get brought before the legislative branch for a trial. The legislative branch cannot try a public citizen. The judicial branch cannot try the president. Again, reread that paragraph until you understand that the judicial branch is incapable of trying the president. This is not saying that he is above the law. It means, as I've said repeatedly, it does not involve the judicial branch.

I really cannot understand the obsession with the judicial branch that you have. There is recourse for actually accomplishing what you want.

That's fine. I'm not even saying not to. I'm saying to just go to the right branch of government. It's really not that complicated. You don't petition your congressman to convict a man you think is guilty, but was found innocent in a court, either. No matter how many amicus briefs you send to your congressman, they cannot do what you want.

Please, send to the right branch. I'm begging you, here.

 

i haven't sent any amicus briefs to anyone in congress, only phone calls to the house judiciary committee members, and homeland security. but it has to originate from the house judiciary, more or less. new evidence is accumulating, so all previous cases are irrelevant. am still pretty sure the chief justice presides over the senate in a trial. he's on the supreme court.

 

Who is saying that Obama is invulnerable? Or bigger than the Constitution- only person I see raising that strawman is you.

The Constitution defines who can be President, and how an election is confirmed, and how a President can be removed. Birthers want to ignore the Constitution and just make up whatever they want in order to remove this President.

Nor do Birthers care about public opinion or the people- they think voters were ignorant, and ignore what the public thinks now.

Finally- thanks for admitting that Birthers aspersions are the only thing Birthers have- lets review the definition of aspersions?

Aspersion : a false or misleading charge meant to harm someone's reputation.

Birthers have used aspersions in place of evidence or facts in order to harm President Obama's reputation.

 

When are you going to share what this 'new evidence' is?

Or really any evidence?

When pray tell, when will Birthers share any evidence of any wrong doing.

 

like presidential eligibility there is no legal precedent for a usurper, cause we've never had one before. so if you think you know exactly what will happen you need to go back to fourth year constitutional.

So you think the Constitution is that imperfect?

What we do know is that the voters cast the most votes for President Obama. That the Electoral College elected him and that Congress confirmed his election without a single dissent, and Chief Justice Roberts swore him into office. So all of the Consittutional requirements were met.

Do you think that the Constitution provides for the Courts to determine whether the President is really the President, or that Congress is provided that job under the Constitution?

Me- I believe the Constitution should be followed, rather than Birther fantasies.


in a case of national security issues, the nsa can subpeona without immediate judicial review (nat. security letter) cia fbi. if they come forth with conclusive evidence.congress would get involved. they still might the president has executive priveledge, the clerks and state or federal employees do not. nor are the connecting lawyers who delivered copies made copies, posted images on the website etc...

Ummmm the NSA issuing a subpoena based upon exactly what? Seriously Birthers fantasize about the most ridiculous stuff. And why am I not surprised that Birthers think that lawyers can be compelled to testify against their clients....

we don't need obama's help to expose obama. real estate, campaign finance problems.
Yet you keep insisting that he must help you. And once again- what have you got besides speculation, innuendo and Birther lies?


the is no precedent for a usurper in u.s. history

So you think the Constitution doesn't apply?

As I said- Birthers know Congress won't touch this whacko nonsense, so keep pretending that the Courts- or someone will find some evidence for them- and hope for a judicial coupe to bypass Congress.

 

i'm counting on that it will...

 

Why? I thought you were interested in the truth.

What if it turns out he's legally qualified?

You're counting on a judiciary violating the Constitution? That seems more than a bit anti-American.

 

Clearly from the answer to my questions, he believes the Constitution just doesn't apply when it comes to Obama.

 

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=335261

this is the new wave of inventive ways to expose obamavich.

we're not just fighting a corrupt executive branch, we are up against the media, which has protected the president with a cloak of ignorance. suppression doesn't work in america, i mean it will for awhile, but not in the end. the main thing now is that everyone knows obama is at the center of this conspiracy by election time. i don't care if his approval rating is in the twenties, it's still way too high for a criminal usurper involved in a cover up. i'm going to continue to go after him the way the media went after orly taitz and timothy adams. i just watched frost/nixon... excellent movie by director ron howard.

 

*sigh*

your evidence of a conspiracy?
your evidence obama is a criminal?
your evidence he usurped the presidency?

how dodges will there be today wash?

 

you mean from me... or obama ?? don't forget it could be resolved in five minutes and taken off the campaign issue table for good, instead of being an anchor around his neck (and the party).
so my job is to frame up the question "why continue to hide the birth certificate mr president?". why not just show it, especially since the one online is so controversial, and you have spent so much money and effort hiding everything else in your past, and you are so "transparent". people are increasingly dissatisfied with the virtual compilation, wong can't prove it's a scan, and he's a wicked smart obot.

if you guys here have links to anything he wrote in law school, please provide, i want to read anything he has written... shouldn't he be proud of his work, that led to him being "president" ?? the american people want to know, so will the world. your hopes of this going away are misguided in this country, people like me are really just getting started. obama is a threat to national security as long as he continues to distract and dodge.

 

He has resolved it.

He took it out of the "vault" and showed it to anyone who wanted to see it.

The fact that you personally did not see the physical document does not change that. What you're asking for has already been done.

You just choose not to believe it because you are so heavily invested in this delusion, psychologically and otherwise, that you're not prepared to deal with the reality that you are wrong.

Listen, I know this is going to be hard for you to accept, but there's nothing interesting about what he wrote in law school. 99% of the writing a person does in law school is just answers to final exam questions, and unless you really care whether Mr. Smith really has a case against Mr. Jones over the unsuccessful sale of the Smith Widget Company, you're not going to get a rise out of that.

What do you think he wrote in law school that's so interesting?

Maybe, maybe not. Some of the stuff I did in law school was just played a certain way because I knew it was what the professor wanted to hear.

That's just it, though. The American people don't want to know, otherwise they wouldn't have voted for him until they saw all this stuff. Whatever motivations you can say were behind the Obama voters, and I don't know because I wasn't one of them, you absolutely cannot say they want to see any more about his past, because they already voted for him not knowing it.

It's gone away. You just hope it hasn't, again, because maintaining your delusion is more important.

Really? LOL... You're dwindling in number and media interest, as I've already shown you, Orly Taitz and Jerome Corsi are the only leaders left, and Taitz is (I predict) about to be sanctioned for frivolity again. Corsi isn't even a true believer, he just takes advantage of people like you to make money.

LOL... He's a threat to national security because he won't attempt to resolve the delusions of people who belong in psychiatric treatment? Yeah, right.

 

Obama Birth Certificate Document Forged – Read the Reports of Experts – Obama unfit for command of our military | @ CDR Kerchner’s Blog

Read and Download Copies of Reports from Digital Document and Typography Analysis Experts Here: http://www.scribd.com/my_document_collections/3166684

We have a criminal and grifter in the White House who has committed multiple felonies and no one in controlling legal authority is investigating. Birth Certificate Fraud, SSN Fraud, Draft Registration Fraud, Real Estate Transaction and Tax Fraud. Obama is unfit for command of our military and is a national security threat. When will Congress launch a congressional inquiry into the criminal and impostor in the Oval Office to start the process of removing him?


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we'll see.. you can't put everyone with questions on thorazine, i know you'd like to.

 

False. He showed it to everyone that joined him at his press conference, and then he posted it on the internet.

It has been done, you just choose not to believe it despite having absolutely zero evidence to the contrary.

Of course it's true. What else would you call a belief that goes against every single piece of evidence on the subject and has absolutely no evidence supporting it?

I know it will be difficult for you to come to grips with the fact that you and the other birthers are delusional. But eventually, you must.

Because I went to law school, and I know what type of writing is done in law school. Almost every class is simply graded on a final exam, and all the other writing is writing with respect to specific hypothetical cases. You're not going to glean any insight into a person by reviewing law school writings.

We did judge for ourselves... The majority of voters decided they didn't care about his law school writings enough to not vote for him.

It hasn't been "sealed". That's the first problem with your argument. There's a difference between not publically available and "sealed."

Not at all. It's just not reflective of me as a person or my beliefs. In law school you learn that you don't always get to write something that agrees with your personal position. Sometimes you have to write against your personal feelings because of who your client is.

Then I gather you haven't had any experience in law (no surprise). Telling a judge what he needs to hear to have him rule your way is what gets your client what he wants.

First of all, no he wasn't. He was appointed chancellor, convinced the legislature and President Hindenberg to suspend the constitution, and then became a dictator when Hindenberg died and no one was subsequently placed in the presidential position. Hitler was roundly defeated in every executive election in which he was a candidate.

Secondly, red herring fallacy.

I don't pretend to.

I'm merely pointing out that what you're seeking is a political issue. There's no law saying what a candidate must or must not release... those things are decided in the voting booth. If a person feels a candidate hasn't released enough information about their past, they won't vote for them.

Obama got enough votes to be elected. Therefore, he released enough information. QED.

Do you have more recent data? If you do, I'd be glad to entertain it. However, let's be honest... Every time you say things like "the issue isn't going away," or, "this is getting bigger and bigger," you're not basing this on evidence. It's based on your own need for self-worth. It's based on your own feelings, which want desperately to believe that something, anything, is going on here.

How does the fact that you share in their delusion change my argument?

Needless to say, in the grand scheme of 311 million Americans and 6.5 billion people on Earth, it's a tiny, meaningless, group. Sorry.

I have no problem with people having "questions." The problem comes after they investigate the answers to those questions. The only people who are delusional are the ones who seek answers to their questions and then still think Obama is somehow ineligible or an "usurper." Those people are delusional.

All of the evidence says he is eligible. None of the evidence says he is not. You've been told that many times, and yet you present no evidence to refute those two basic facts.

 

That's one dodge

 

more people are learning the story... not less

 

it's not a porch it's a mercedes... wong

 

Clearly you're not interested in talking about the facts, as you did not refute any of my points but merely repeated the same debunked nonsense over and over.

You're interested in maintaining your delusion.

When you're interested in seriously discussing the facts, let me know.

 

Clearly...


WashingtonAmerica.Com my conversation with tim adams... obama birth certificate....

i just had a great conversation with tim adams....
i can tell you he is sharp, and cogent and is still very dedicated and faithful to his beliefs....

tim is a teacher now, at the kentucky university for which he wrote the soon to be published* and already famous/popular thesis, based on his experiences gained while serving as elections chief for the state of hawaii.

mostly we talked about the incredible smear tactics used by the obama hit squads sent to seek out and destroy anyone who questions obama authority, or shares what they may know about the truth.

in true obama fashion, the hit squad is followed by the bottomfeeder "journalists", like nbc's chris matthews, larry odonald, and the newly tossed aside by nbc tabloid garbage, keith olberman.

internet assassins like "oh for goodness sake" and foggy "obot" bill bryan have joined in, to take the cheap shots, in desperate hopes of gaining a name for themselves. they are interested only in self promotion, and in saving their fraud fake manchurian obama. they are so busy distracting and covering and attacking, they have lost sight, that time is not on their side, and neither is the truth.

they are not reporters, they have no ethics or honor, they are cheap ass liars and media puppets for the corrupt chicago obama machine (incidentally,the sleazy obama rezko real estate fraud is back in the news). they are hyper quick to brand anyone who gets in obama's way, as a crackpot or racist.

the dirtiest politicians, like the cowardly obama, have always had their underlings do the slime, while they "rise above it all". people like the creepy matthews' and olbermans' are glad to do anything for the liberal democrat cause, and they are too stupid to even know they're being played. yet their sole identity and function is always pinned to helping to hide the truth, about the sluttiest most self adoring politician to be president since warren g. harding. even harding had his pluses, at least harding was eligible to be president.

it is common knowledge in hawaii that there is no birth certificate, because obama simply wasn't born in hawaii. the people i have talked to in hawaii admit that even nice people like chyome fukino, have been pressured and threatened to cooperate, or else. there is an expectation to protect the native son, that's natural... but there are many hawaiians that don't even see obama as a hawaiian, rather as just another chicago gangster using paradise, and fine people, to further his sneaky marxist political agenda.

this whole process couldn't get much uglier. even before the campaign has fully begun, the dirt and scum of destroying good people is the hallmark of a sick powerquest "at any cost" regime that is stacking up innocent dead bodies like cordwood.

the pathological liar in obama "the manchurian candidate", is the unholy extension of the vicious likes of george soro's, a man who get's off on destroying governments and free nations, including his own. while it's true that soros has to get punched in the face repeatedly to have an orgasm, he is too frightened to admit his gangsterish bullying and intimidation tactics. i wouldn't leave soros alone for ten seconds, in a room with a child or a puppy. he is truly the scum of the earth.... see you in hell soros, you cheap political piece of cowardess crap.

the complacent media can push against we birthers by covering up for obama, as the burgeoning range of empirical evidence mounts. the damage is done, and the mainstream media will never find it's way back to credibility, or enjoy ever again, the trust of the american people. what can they say when obama is exposed as the thief and usurper that he is. will they say
"really??" we didn't know....?

well i know, and i know that they've known since april twenty seventh.

who doesn't really know yet, are the american people. we are not stupid, and we don't like being fooled or cheated by the people we are supposed to trust. the decedent and arrogant thoughtlessness of stealing a country will be met by the wrath of god. what comes around goes around, and you shouldn't have screwed with america, and you will pay dearly for the treason you have become.

people like tim adams are modern day champions. even though i can tell he has thick skin and hasn't backed downed one iota from the media beatings and attempts by obama to destroy his character, he admits that he is disgusted, and i sense his genuine concern for his country, that i know he loves. the fact that his story or attitude haven't changed, are an addition to the long list of indicators, that tell me obama is a dirtbag humpty dumpty, and nobody in his army of worshipers can fix what he's done. he is the world's ultimate poseur.

this bizarre chapter in american history will be vindicated when the truth is known, soon... and as enigmatically as this political messiah arrived, this usurper in chief will just magically disappear.
he will simply slip back into the pathetic obscurity he so richly deserves.

the link to tim's thesis.
digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2074&context=theses&sei-redir=1#search=%22Tim%20Adams%22

lambert acedemic publications will be releasing the book version of tim's story. we'll let you know when they do. it is interesting to note that there is tremendous interest in the new american watergate in germany, the home of lambert press. europeans and asians and people the middle east have been following this obama usurper/corruption story. because of the american media blackout, they know more about it than most americans. that is both sad and a very red flag.

 

Funny thing, I have never spoken with any native of Hawaiian who believes in the Birther nonsense. Most I have spoken with have barely been aware of it. All of them 'know' that Obama was born there.

Who did you speak with?

And if nice people are being threatened- well name names. Sic the law on them- or will this be like the anonymous sources that Corsi cites...that never actually materialize?

And every time you have called Obama a pathological liar, I have challenged you to demonstrate that pathology.

Like every other challenge, you skate on it.

Frankly the only lies I catch on a regular basis are Birther lies. At a certain point, can we just call the entire Birther movement one pathological lie?

 

Yes...from you.

You make big allegations, regularly, and you have no proof whatsoever to back up your statements.

Are they lies or just false?

We don't know.

You just put out the statements and evade any attempt to get you to stand behind your statements.

And by the way....you think John McCain is a coward.

 

Exactly- everything you said is spot on.

Not that it matters to Wash- he shares the same pathology as Orly. I look forward to his complete meltdown when Orly's SSA case is dismissed- even better if Orly is sanctioned.

I put money on Wash calling the judge part of the conspiracy.

 

And actual evidence to support any of this? Something besides Kerchner marching into a Grand Jury room and demanding that they investigate, and getting arrested for interferring with a Grand Jury?

Why hasn't Kerchner or you- chained yourself to the front gate of the White House yet as an act of civil disobediance?

Gof or it- put a real commitment to your faith.