Seismic Shift: New Survey Shows Republican Opposition to Same-Sex Marriage Plunging to All-Time Low

Christian gun dealers NEVER ask their customers what kind of shooting they will be doing so that they can provide them with the best type of weapon?

My advice to the "mensa mind" is to stop digging before the hole is too derp to climb out of.

 

He clearly, and accurately debunked that ridiculous meme. A Gay Marriage is announced at time of cake purchase...the baker knows. Noone announces they're going to murder someone to the gun dealer.

Comparison and Meme fall flat, in typical liberal fashion. You don't have any standing to give him advice on this matter.

 

Thank you for PROVING my POINT albeit completely unwittingly on your part!

Baking a cake does not mean that you participate in a wedding any more than selling a gun means that you participate in a homicide.

 

I agree. I never understood the GOP position on this. It was always inconsistent with the core party ideals. Live and let live I say. It's amazing how they forget about limited government, at the first sign of someone doing something they don't like, that has no victims.

 

And you still don't get it lol......

 

They took it up because their evangelist donors insisted they take it up. Moreover, more evangelists themselves are now entrenched as members of the Republican establishment. Until these vapid scum cut ties with the political system and stop injecting their bullshit faith into policy, we will have to hear about it.

 

Yup, I think the far right religious extremists have pulled the party too far in that direction. And it isn't the direction the country is actually moving.

 

Ironic!

 

All thanks to plebe scum like Jerry Falwell and his ilk.

 

That last part is where I think the argument for free commerce starts to unravel. I think it's very hard to make the case that baking a cake means you're participating in a wedding. In fact I think it's pretty impossible. They didn't participate in the wedding, the marriage, the celebration, any of it. They were asked to do something they do all day, every day. If they bake a cake for a graduation party, that doesn't mean they've participated in the graduation in any way.

 

Precisely!

In essence the problem only arises with those who embrace a single minded obsession to the exclusion of reality.

Their religious beliefs are so rigid as to to exclude all else so their pinhole view of the world is through that myopic lense and everything else is excluded, including the real world that the rest of us inhabit.

It applies just as much to those who are obsessed with firearms. Their pinhole view excludes the reality that other people are suffering and dying through the lack of perspective by those who are quite literally threatening our elected representatives with their firearms.

But just take a step back and few deep breaths away from those self centered bubbles and the world comes back into perspective and the "great harm" dwindles from a mountain into a molehill.

As you pointed out it is just another wedding cake which is something that do on a daily basis. Baking the cake is not participating in the ceremony.

 

Yup. The concept of marriage means you have a piece of paper that says the two of you are married. It doesn't matter if you have a big 1000 person Duggar-like church wedding, or are married by a Justice of the Peace, or at a country club by the mayor (as we were), or anything. You're married because the government issues that piece of paper that says you are. Everyone with a marriage license is married. Period. So how that came to be is irrelevant. And baking a cake or being the DJ or being a guest doesn't mean you are participating in the marriage. It means you have a role, small or large, in the wedding. The wedding and the marriage itself are two completely separate things.

 

The entire country has shifted on this issue. It wasn't long ago that Hillary Clinton was opposed to gay marriage.

 

Hopefully, this is an issue where the RWers will grow up fast. They have business license, it is not a religious place, most of all, adults don't act that way.

 

No. Heterosexual couples procreate just fine without marriage. Currently, blacks in the US have HIGHER birth rates than whites, and yet, they have LOWER marriage rates than whites. Thus the 60-70% of black children being born to single mothers.
Marriage and its incentives WAS to discourage procreation outside of marriage. Not to encourage procreation. And besides, NOW marriage has nothing to do with procreation by judicial proclamation and it is now about winning "respect and dignity" for homosexuals.

 

People are easily swayed by proclamations by courts that the absence of gay marriage for 225 years of our nations history has been a violation of the Constitutional rights of homosexuals.

Only a matter of time before courts begin to declare our nations practice of segregating bathrooms between males and females to be nothing more than a nefarious plot to "disparage and injure" the transgendered and therefore unconstitutional

 

Yeah. States didn't first enact marriage laws and make it a crime for unmarried men and women to engage in sexual activity to encourage procreation. It was to DISCOURAGE procreation outside of marriage.

From the US Supreme Court

"It is not surprising that the decision to marry has been placed on the same level of importance as decisions relating to procreation, childbirth, child rearing, and family relationships. As the facts of this case illustrate, it would make little sense to recognize a right of privacy with respect to other matters of family life and not with respect to the decision to enter the relationship that is the foundation of the family in our society. The woman whom appellee desired to marry had a fundamental right to seek an abortion of their expected child, or to bring the child into life to suffer the myriad social, if not economic, disabilities that the status of illegitimacy brings. Surely, a decision to marry and raise the child in a traditional family setting must receive equivalent protection. And, if appellee's right to procreate means anything at all, it must imply some right to enter the only relationship in which the State of Wisconsin allows sexual relations legally to take place. "

 

Trump did this. In his acceptance speech he brought the GOP Convention to their feet for Gay Rights. It's an individual rights issue, and once it became clear, yeah, if your position needs to change, you change it.

 

I dunno if we can credit Trump for it or not. Maybe. If so, he next needs to support marijuana decriminalization, at least federally. And not just because it would guarantee his 2020 win

 

They can adopt, if they adopt a foster child it removes that child from public support to parental support and is by its nature stable over a child bouncing from home to home in more than a few cases.

 

Any two people could do that. With or without marriage. Why only extend marriage to gays?

Heterosexual sex has a strong, natural tendency to lead to procreation. Homosexual sex has no such tendency to lead to procreation or adoption.

AND Its contradictory to argue that marriage wasn't limited to only men and women because only men and women have the potential of procreation, and was instead so limited to exclude homosexuals and therefore unconstitutional, and then extend marriage to all homosexual couples on the off hand chance that they might want to adopt a child.

 

Nobody has ever cared about gays getting married. The issue was about forcing us to accept it and forcing people who didn't want to participate in their ceremonies to participate in them.

 

If you got a marriage license, then yes you did. Otherwise you don't have a legally recognized marriage.

 

If you got a marriage license, then "yes you did" what?

 

I don't use marijuana and I wouldn't even if it was legal, but I have voted for legalization, every time it's on the ballot. Our criminal system should be focused on restitution, not retribution. And if you can't locate a victim to provide restitution to, then there should be no crime.