Senate GOP Obamacare replacement would lead to 22 million more uninsured in 2026, CBO estimates

Seriously, they have no competition, everyone needs medical help.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickun...-costs-are-so-artificially-high/#47608f213bff
It is no longer that simple as hospitals now artificially raise their rate card charges as a part of the negotiation process they enter into with private, for-profit health insurers.

When the dance between hospitals and health insurers began, if a hospital’s actual cost plus reasonable profit totaled $1,000 for a given procedure and the insurer demanded a 50 percent discount, the hospitals simply negotiated towards doubling the price from $1,000 to $2,000 in order to make it all work out. But over time, hospitals began to include other charges into the cost of a procedure, including their unpaid collectibles from patients who were uninsured and could not pay, losses in unrelated hospital divisions, inefficiency in how the hospital was being operated, etc. As time has progressed, this approach has grown so out of hand that any rational explanation for pricing no longer appears to exist.

 

I disagree vehemently. Costs wont drop because, as they did prior to Obamacare, providers will pass that cost onto those who do pay.

 

Your source compares it to worker wages, which means nothing except to prove my point that worker wages are growing slower than healthcare insurance rates, which is why I have been saying for years that premiums are growing at unsustainable rates. .......here are the actual numbers compiled by KFF which is very well respected on both sides of the isle....

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

 

Pass what cost?

 

Another laughable thread. The Governors of the States that decided to "expand" Medicaid can just keep it going by raising taxes. The left like high taxes so what's the problem?

 

The costs to treat those who don't pay

 

Nonsense. Both parties actually agreed that the American system of healthcare was broken. America spent more than any other country for inferior results and the rate of increase in oversll healthcare spending was considered a major drag on the economy.

 

Except that the deduction is for bills that are not reimbursed. And if the bills were paid by the uninsured they would be at the full billed rate.

 

Trumpcare would have killed this child = http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...son-ethan-chandra_us_59520b47e4b02734df2d00a1

 

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough but what I was talking about was the hospitals using the loss against income to reduce their taxes which essentially means the taxpayers pay a cost for the uninsured who don't cover their bills.

 

unreimbursed bills are not tax deductible.

 

After seven years of bellywhinging about how horrible nationalized RomneyCare is, the GOP can't get its act together and contrive anything as good.

Governors saved the clueless Washington pifflewits from themselves.

If these tossers were't in the hip pocket of Big Pharma, they could recover a bit from their failure by freeing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

“We’ll have so much winning, you’ll get bored with winning!”​

 

you think those costs won't be built into your premiums ?

 

Fraud for all????

$120 to $180 Billion in Fraud for Medicare and Medicaid.....that's better ....HOW? Seems to me only the fraudsters would be in favor of it.

 

NO.......not with deductables where they are.

I have my own plan (HDP) with a $5000 deductible. My wife carries her and my 2 sons on her plan because the premiums are actually a LOT MORE if we are all on one plan. The kicker is that in my wifes plan ($2500 deductible), when there are more than 2 people on the plan, they must meet the "Family Deductible" before the plan pays a penny. That deductible is $6500

Pretty much everything now is a catastrophic plan

 

They can't kick it down the road. That's the position they've put themselves in. The GOP and Trump own this mess now, and they have to try to solve it. And they can't. This is a really bad thing for all of them. Trump has demonstrated that he has absolutely no leadership ability, and I'm afraid to say that the Republicans have demonstrated a very unfortunate lack of focus and direction, and their unwillingness to work with the Democrats will hurt them as badly as it hurt the Democrats in the 2010 midterms.

 

Can you cite some examples of how the CBO was "totally wrong" about Obamacare? Because everything I've seen through the years shows the opposite. They did very much miss the mark on the number of uninsured anticipated after it went into effect, but not much else.

 

At least this bill is DOA as it stands. What a joke it truly is. Paul Ryan and McConnell need to go. They're vapid mouthpieces for the rich while shilling for big pharma. Ryan himself took 400k in donations from Health Insurance Inudstry lobbyists in 2016. Should automatically exempt him from even being involved.

****ing scum.

 

Number 1 they have to fix it because of the position OBAMACARE has put all Americans in. The only reason the bill is this far is because of Trump, your shot at is a little crazy considering all he's done to get them together. If he shows this kind of leadership moving forward your going to have a hard time continuing your whining about him.

 

The only reason this bill is this far is because the Republicans have been working on this since Trump was still a real estate developing reality TV star Democrat living in New York City. He has exactly zero to do with their efforts to "repeal and replace" something they've been promising to repeal and replace for the last 7 years.

 

“We’ll have so much winning, you’ll get bored with winning!”​

Maybe they should try that "big, beautiful wall" hokum again. They might have to put it somewhere else though. Too many Republican politicians representing folks along the border oppose the feds seizing their private land by eminent domain to inflicting the boondoggle on them (one that, despite promises, Mexico is not going to pay for.)

After Republican governors attacked their latest rancid confection to uninsure Americans, they'll need to come up with a better scam for their transference of wealth to their elite.

As for Trump®Wall, Mar-a-Lago will be needing a yooj barrier to prevent it becoming an annex of SeaWorld.

(Mexico still won't pay for it.)

 

It's expensive because it's a maintenence plan. You just can't afford to use it because all of the overhead is built into your costs.

 

Do you honestly believe that people will be able to afford the current system if nothing is done? Even if they can who is going to insure them? If a person is making around $25,000 a year and his deductible is $6500 a year per person; what the hell good is that? It's easy for people in New York and San Francisco to buy health care because they make very good salaries but most of the country falls into the $50 - $75 thousand a year category. A McDonalds meal in NY or CA. is cheap compared to Miss. or Fla. One size does not fit all.

 

You're forced to have Auto Insurance. It should be the same for Healthcare.