Senate GOP Obamacare replacement would lead to 22 million more uninsured in 2026, CBO estimates

Agree. The hospital isn't going to avoid passing along the costs. Even the most altruistic facilities are printing money and spending it just as quickly. With a Few exceptions of course.

 

Hospital prices are completely ridiculous. No health care is going to work unless hospital pricing chnages, they overcharge everything.

 

It was ALWAYS DOA.

The Senate Bill (as currently written) NEVER had a chance.

 

So, you like to have government force people to buy something?

 

I like it more than paying for them to wait until they are sick to buy coverage.
But nobody was forced just coerced. Just like the senate bill does

Under a provision added Monday to the Senate GOP’s health-care bill, an individual who is uninsured for more than 63 days would have to wait half a year to gain new health coverage.

 

Except this bill does penalize you for not having it

Under a provision added Monday to the Senate GOP’s health-care bill, an individual who is uninsured for more than 63 days would have to wait half a year to gain new health coverage.

 

I think you're right. It looks like they won't get the votes for this.

Good. Go back to the drawing board and try to come up with something that lowers the costs of healthcare all across the country. Then the insurance costs will start to come down as well.

But what I think may be happening here is they are all getting one step closer to single payer. I'm sure most won't admit that publicly, but I'll bet they're starting to realize it's the only thing that will save whatever it is they're trying to re-engineer to fix 1/5 of the economy.

 

I have been saying that for years. Nothing will change when all we are talking about is how to pay for it, instead of how do we control the costs.

 

Not sure what they are trying to do, even they can't all come to argeement.

 

I don't see any health bill fixing the insurance premiums, as long as hospitals get away with outrageous over charging.

 

Go back to catastrophic only coverage.
You dont want insurance, you want comprehensive maintenence plans. That's the problem
You'd be much better off if everyone paid out of pocket for maintenence. With maintenence plans you essentially pre-pay for the care plus the costs of the overhead for the insurance company and the physician/hospital claims overhead.

 

Of course it will eventually fail...because health care through the vehicle of insurance guarantees it will eventually collapse. It is why we need to seriously move towards a model like Medicare for all, or to expand it to include those at at age 50 thru 65, the population that most desperately needs it.

 

You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

Sure, easy to say that when you're on someone else's plan and are young and in good health. Wait till age creeps up on you.

 

Exactly...except the rhetoric I hear from GOP members is still about kicking the issue down the road, so for them, it's all about political brinksmanship and trying to appease their constituents with smoke and mirrors.

 

That won't work, because your catastrophic scenario just isn't valid. The odds are low, when as someone gets older, it is the nagging clinical issues that need to addressed and the high cost of hospital care makes your coverage not viable.

 

The CBO was totally wrong about obamacare. Its been wrong about just about everything. All it can do is make static predictions based on the assumptions Congress makes them follow.

CBO is just propaganda and should be abolished as a waste of taxpayers money.

 

But nobody can afford that. Thats been the problem the whole time. Thats exactly why insurance is a requirement, because nobody can pay the astronomical costs we have today. But that being said, with the huge deductibles we have today, we pretty much have catastrophic only plans.

And the preventative care (maintenance) is what lowers overall costs.

 

Thats revisionist at best. Premiums were growing at unsustainable rates since the late 80's. It was a campaign issue in 92 Bush v Clinton.

All due respect 36, but Obamacare actually slowed the rate of increases, so without Obamacare, things would actually be worse

 

Do you think you're not paying them when you have insurance? Of course you are, plus the overhead costs and profit margins for the insurance.

If everyone were out of pocket, you'd see costs fall dramatically. Businesses can only charge what their customers can afford.

 

Can businesses survive without customers?
Hospitals and physicians need to eat, so they need you as much as you need them. They will adjust prices to compete for customers, just like every other business

 

Wrong. Google it, obamacare has not slowed the increase in the cost of health insurance premiums.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...an-worker-wages-under-obamacare/#6072adafafe7

You will find articles that claim obamacare has kept premiums down, but read them carefully and check the actual studies. The premiums paid by employers have not risen dramatically - that's because employers keep shifting to lesser coverage plans in order to control the higher and higher costs of insurance.

 

If they didn't have health insurance then it was never theirs. They were borrowing something and now they're giving it back.

Hopefully EMTALA is repealed as well.

 

Currently serving only 15% of the population, Medicare incurs cost overruns of 41%; which adds about $200 billion per year to our yearly deficit (as of 2014). Overall, the program costs about $500 billion per year, and its costs have been outpacing the rate of GDP for decades now.

So tell us, how do you think Medicare would fare trying to serve all the population?

http://www.kff.org/medicare/fact-sheet/medicare-spending-and-financing-fact-sheet/

 

The CBO is a gimmick and it can be gamed, as the creators of Obamacare demonstrated when they gamed the bill to make it seem cheaper than it was by front loading the taxes but spreading out the benefits over several years. The question is, why didn't the Republicans game their bill too? I mean, they had to know what the CBO report was going to be, I did. Either there is some sort of 5D chess game going on that I can't figure out or they're incredibly stupid.