Senate GOP Obamacare replacement would lead to 22 million more uninsured in 2026, CBO estimates

The CBO report is pretty damning. I suspect more than 4 Republican Senators won't vote for it now.

 

1. The emergency room is far more expensive than normal treatment so it is far less efficient.
2. Hospitals usually try to charge people a lot more than the actual cost but it is insurance companies that negotiate those prices down, without insurance these people end up paying a lot more.
3. People who get this over-priced free healthcare end up bankrupt and their lives ruined. This is not good for them and their families and most bankruptcies involve healthcare payments in some way even when they are insured.
4. The uninsured will often wait until their problems become major and expensive when insurance allows you to get cheap preventative care.
5. You may not use all your insurance but the leftover goes to helping other people, that is the whole point of insurance nearly all of it does go to healthcare.
6. Other developed countries pay 2 1/2 times less on healthcare than the US, and spend even less than our government does covering only 30% of the population, and yet our health and quality results are not 2 1/2 times better. This is due to a large variety of reasons due to their systems being more efficient at lowering costs.

 

The CBO includes those who will choose not to purchase healthcare. Those people didn't lose a thing. The first CBO report says 15 million will be without because they choose not to purchase. They get what they want, which isn't a loss for them. So the number really is 7 million. How many did Obamacare sign up again? About 10 million? So a gain of 3 million from before Obamacare.

I suspect you're right on the votes.

 

No federal benefits, as currently structured, are secured beyond the term of the current Congress.

 

So what should be done with a person who has no health insurance and shows up at the hospital with a potentially lethal injury or illness?

Do you think they should just be pushed of the door?

 

When was the last time the CBO was right about anything?

 

No, it means you will pay more for yours because they wont pay their bills. Either way you pay.

Im not sure why that simple concept os so f'n hard for the right to understand. What I liked about Obamacare was the individual mandate which made them pay at least SOMETHING. Under this plan they pay even less.

 

Other than to make another lame excuse for preserving a failed entitlement program that is already in a death spiral, there's no reason to assume that those 22 million will show up in ERs to get treatment and that they won't pay for the HC they receive.

As for FullRetardCare, one of its many broken promises that Gruber's Goobers swallowed hook, line and sinker was that it was going to reduce visits to ERs:

ER Visits Still Rising Despite ACA
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20150117/NEWS/301169969

Failure: Medi-Cal Expansion Drove Emergency Room Visits Up by 44%
http://www.breitbart.com/california...ansion-drove-emergency-rooms-visits-up-by-44/

Didn't happen. Just as the reduction in costs didn't happen, expansion of choice didn't happen, permitting everyone to keep their doctors and HC plans if they liked them period didn't happen, on and on and on...

At this point, defending and preserving FullRetardCare is nothing short of irrational, but that's what you get when an entitlement obtains Sacred Cow status in the "progressive" Cult of Fiasco.

 

yes, more efficient, less bureaucracy, and I think its safe to assume that hospitals,doctors, charge less. ps, I've always taken those figures as fact, but I know that the other countries we are compared to tax the chit out everything, are they subsidizing on the back end? <i've never questioned the figures.

I think we cover a lot more than 30%... where's that figure coming from? typo?

Lastly, I doubt you are going to get a lot of support for drastically reducing the incomes of physicians and other medical professionals in the USA vs the comparison countries.



note: that only accounts for about 8% of total costs.... i'm sure there is a similar and scary graph comparing the cost of actual services and again I seriously doubt the mega corps are going to cut costs without a major fight. There is a serious level of high cost bureaucracy that is part of our US healthcare system, not just hospitals, but insurance carriers as well.

 

Bill them!

 

I agree. It sounds like the majority of those 22 million are the young and healthy people who will intentionally choose to forgo insurance and are unlikely to need medical care, and if they do need to visit a doctor there's no reason to assume they won't pay for it.

As for the "preventative care" argument, as high as deductibles are, how many people really are getting a lot of "preventative care" now (who weren't before)? And exactly how much preventive care do people need anyways.... (Full disclosure, I rarely go to the doctor except for the annual gyno visit, pretty much only if it's an emergency like a broken bone, I'm not one of those people that runs to the doctor every time I sneeze or chases around every specialist on Earth seeking preventive medicine.)

 

Let's not forget - they also want lifetime caps.

****ing republicans. So ridiculous. They are so misguided. Pro life my ****ing ass.

 

Don't worry America. The republicans will protect and preserve the 2nd amendment so if you get sick and miserable you can keep your firearm to shoot yourself - but don't tell them - they're against self euthanasia!

 

I can agree with that idea. Or as some have suggested just pass a law that says all Americans are eligable for the same healthcare as their public servants. And I use the term public servant sarcastically.

 

Have you looked at the premium increases under the Senate bill. Make increases under Obama care look paltry. Only decrease under the senate bill comes in the third year when the bill cuts the benefits from health insurance coverage by 33% thus massivly increasing out of pocket costs for medical care.

 

Well no question that those who are hurt the most are the Trump supporters.

 

You do know emergency rooms are only required to stabilize persons in immediate need not treat long term.

 

That is all well and good if you have a few hundred thousand or so stashed away for serious medical issues. Having been one of those who could not get insurance due to a pre existing condition I can tell you that even moderatly serious issues can run upward of two hundred thousand.

And what happens when someone can't come up with the big bucks, they get care anyway and the taxpayers end up paying anyway.

 

Only if they are on Medicaid or Medicare. If not the Hospital writes off most it and spreads the rest over other patients.

 

Except that the hospital write it off at the billing amount not what they would actually get paid by insurance companies so the taxpayer actually is part of the funding process. One way or the other the taxpayers end up paying.

 

This is so horrible it's funny. Number the Rich are already paying the majority of America's tax burden and it's not even remotely close and has always been that way. I love how instead making the most use of that money, you simply support more and more of their money. How about your liberal buddies quit worry about freaking sand turtles as much and all the other pork spending and use that money for healthcare. I promise the republicans will go along...

Sorry but this is America and freedom of choice is what this country is built on and it's ok if people choose not to participate in health insurance.

Medicaid actually increases in the Senate bill but won't increase as much as Obamafail which is why the MSM is saying it's a cut, it's not! States have miraculously been able to figure out ways to overcome the medicaid failure and they have good care and cheaper premiums, which is exactly why the Senate is sending the money to the states, where it belongs. All the federal government does with social programs overpay and invite fraud.

Your notion that the rich are the ones getting punished under obamacare is a joke the middle class has taken these premium hikes square on the chin, they now are the ones with no healthcare insurance because what they now can afford they don't even get to use because of high deductible and ridiculous out of pocket expense. Furthermore the exchanges are dropping like flies so where are these people to go if they can't even purchase insurance from an insurance company. Obamacare Robbed the middle class of their healthcare and it's high time someone fixed it. I wish a full repeal was in the works but this is better than the continued failure.

 

Yes. Once the issue has been identified, the person will usually still receive care. Care that they can not afford personally.

 

This bill cuts nearly 800 Billion from the current law on Medicaid. Do not lie like Kellyanne Conway.

 

CBO has to take the current situation with Obamacare and flat line that for the duration of their projections. They can't take into account any changes.....not the fact insurers are pulling out left and right, not the fact premiums and deductibles are skyrocketing......nothing.

Does anyone believe nothing will change under Obamacare between now and 2026? Obamacare is imploding, and will not exist in just a few years if left like as is.

Did CBO project Obamacare imploding in under a decade?

Their projections are BS, but the mouthbreathers on the left will act like they are carved in tablets and delivered by Moses.

 

You do realize that the reason for the 2 years of increases is because of Obamacare, its is being phased out thru 2019 so people don't get dropped. In 2020 is when this bill takes full effect and premiums even by the CBO will drop 20% that year alone.