Senate Hearings on Election Fraud

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/202...rregularities-of-2020-election/8301608129288/

I have watched a lot of these hearings today and have learned a lot about how votes are tabulated. My contention is that the voting tabulation is similar to our tax system. It is made complicated so those with the power to do so can cheat.

Our Nation has a couple freedoms it urges us to partake in. Both because we are a free people. Jury duty and voting. Jury Duty requires us to travel, (in my case over 150 miles) give up my time, and answer questions. With freedom comes responsibility, and I understand that.

The same should apply to voting. As individual citizens of the many different states we should look forward to the process and take extra effort and responsibility to make sure our election process is fair and uncompromised. We should demand that every ballot counted is observed by both parties. Cameras should always be present and total transparency is the duty of every American. Only excused absences should warrant mail in balloting. A trip to the precinct voting place is an "honor and should be observed as such. A legitimate voter I.D. should be presented.

We have used excuses to open our system to corruption for far to long. Excuses like, "I am a minority race and it is too difficult for me to obtain I.D." or " I am afraid of this pandemic so I don't want to leave my house". This is all frivolous stuff.....at least it seems to be so to a generation that never wore bicycle helmets.

There are exceptions to the responsibility, but my point is, we should understand the importance of election integrity. Consider it an honorable sacrifice no matter what your ideology. It should not be exploited by last minute rule changes. Why can't we see this as individuals in our respective States?

 

They force jury duty on us, it's not a freedom.

Seriously, try and get out of it sometime.

 

Sorry Spooky......I see it as a responsibility that comes with freedom. I get your point though. If I am ever falsely accused, I want to be tried by a jury of my peers.

 

I really enjoyed voting from home this year.
Gave my wife and I time to sit down together and research some of the lesser known candidates and ballot measures and
discuss them for awhile. I think it made us better voters.

We can always make a system better - but I think mail-in voting has some serious benefits.

 

It's an interference in my life that costs me money.

Besides, you really wouldn't want me in your jury determining your guilt or innocence.

Even I know this but it's impossible to get out of.

So for fun I just take the opposite side of whatever everyone else takes and laugh while they debate me.

 

Good for you. As always I looked forward to going to my voting precinct, rubbing elbows with fellow citizens and doing my honorable duty on the DAY of the election. My ballot was not co=mingled with others at the Post Office nor did it lie in a public pickup box. I know my signature WAS verified because I saw it and my vote was counted on that day.

 

I got a kick out of that Spooky! I have been called four times I think. It was canceled once and I answered honestly two times which got me rejected. Because I have such a long drive, I was compensated pretty well. I do like to see how the Court System works from time to time (not because I am a defendant).

Elections, at least, should inspire a sense of duty to keep them safe and uncompromised. I don't mind going the extra step. I use the same sense of duty in my behavior when pulled over by an officer. I roll down my window, keep my hands on top of the steering wheel and answer politely. I want to keep the Officers job safe and non-threatening. Good Citizens, I believe behave that way.

 

I tried getting rejected and they just put you at the top of the list for the next one.

 

Frankly, I've gotten a bit sick of reading affidavits, court complaints, rulings, and listening to hearings. Probably wasted at least 20 hours researching various claims and court cases on the subject at this point. Mostly what I have come away learning is that there seems to be a whole lot of kicking up a storm about problems that do not really exist. I feel like I'm watching a call for a new TSA created before my eyes. But, whatever. If more security theater will put your worries at ease, I can make that concession.

Would you at least agree that early in person voting should be available in all states? Or failing that, a national holiday on election day so that people who are normally unable to take time off work to go vote will be able to? Some of the polling places on election day can have hours long waits, which is not something everyone is so fortunate to be able to take the time off for.

 

I live in a small community. It never takes more than 15 minutes for me. I realize it's a lot different for others and I think it needs to be addressed so I would agree.
I think a lot was learned in the Senate Hearings. There is definitely something to the mass fraud in 2020.

 

It's not just a matter of correcting our voting system for future elections, but to punish all those who committed crimes in this election, and to make certain that whoever is inaugurated in January had the most legitimate votes. If it is otherwise, they will be disenfranchising the majority of American voters who voted for Trump and there will be some very angry people - many of whom are heavily armed.

There is only one person in Congress with true courage and integrity, and that is Rand Paul, and come January, he might just be the one that determines the outcome of the presidency. When the electors meet in Washington, should there be an objection from 1 representative and 1 senator, then there must be a debate before the electors can cast their vote.

Right now there are 2 representatives who will object, and Senator Rand Paul said he will pay close attention to all the court cases to see if he will or will not object.

 

Well, if the mail isn't registered and you never received it??? Besides, you might be doing an unemployed or elderly person a favor. They could use the extra money.
(I never said that! I never said that!)

You mean you skipped jury duty? WOW!


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I've been called several times. Each time I told them truthfully that I definitely don't believe that I would ever get justice as a defendant if I have to be judged by any number of people whose only commonality is that they couldn't figure out how to get out of jury duty. I was always excused.

 

This may be irrelevant but Rand Paul says that people who can't pay for hospital treatment should be left to die in the street, and he's a ****** DOCTOR, fer crissake

 

Amazing, people who ran the most blatantly dishonest candidate in our entire history prattling on about election integrity.

The ONLY reason Republicans want to restrict the franchise is so we can get back to the old days of literacy tests and poll taxes. You know it, I know it and Old Sam's Mule knows it. C'mon guys, don't kid a kidder OK?

 

There is nothing stopping you and your wife doing that before you go to a polling place, never has been.

 

I would agree with early in person voting and that makes the time off thing moot. I always vote early and this year was the first time I did not just walk in and vote. This year there was a line and I probably waited 15 minutes or so.

 

Nothing stopped me from doing it from home this year.
Just something for the King of the Karens to whine about.

 

The solution is as plain as day: Abolish the slave-era Electoral College. No 50 separate election-systems. No MOCKERY of democracy (or democratic republic, same) by elevating the loser of an election into office. The two Senators per state rule already protects the interests of rural populations, more than enough.

With a streamlined national plebiscite for President, it will be much easier to safeguard the integrity of the ballot, even as we make it easier to vote. Given that we have just barely escaped our nation's first experience with an autocratic entrepreneur, it's past time to make this eminently commonsensical Constitutional Amendment.

 

Rand Paul is an orphthamologist and you know very well he never said that. Now how about some truth:

During Rand Paul's medical career, he also performed free eye surgeries for poor people in developing countries.

In 2009, he established the ‘Southern Kentucky Lions Eye Clinic,’ a non profit organization that treated under-privileged people with eye conditions.

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/rand-paul-4364.php​

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I'm the god of this world,
that's what I be,
to give you all of what you see.

But that's just what I made you think,
when saying you'll swim
and never sink.

Now you should have known
it couldn't be true,
when I made lying a part of you - Jeannette


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Well, at least I'm not seeing any calls for literacy tests just yet. But yes, your point that the the election security theater is designed to disenfranchise is something I am well aware of.

Photo ID for voting is a thing in some states, and is not really going away. D's need to devote resources to getting access to voting for their electorate - including assistance with getting IDs if that is necessary. They will also need to lobby for expanded access to in person voting, be that through a national holiday on election day, or expanding early in person voting to more states.

Right now the national focus is all on how unsafe mail voting is because D's and liberals continue to allow Trump to set the conversation and try to do the impossible by speaking to his base and trying to convince them he is wrong. But there is no specific argument being made on the right that in person voting is unsafe - conservatives have to vote somehow. That is ripe for D's and liberals on a national stage to just talk endlessly about how these states don't have early in person voting, how long the lines are, etc, etc. Make that a big deal so that you can get a compromise. Acknowledge that further mail voting restrictions and voter id requirements will probably be a thing in 2024, and work to offset that loss by enfranchising your voters in other ways.

That would be my advice at least for D's and liberals who have a large audience.

 

Do you think there would have been all this skepticism and angst , lies and disinformation & circular thinning if Trump had won???

 

So you're saying that if a thief steals from someone, then they're a loser and shouldn't go whining to the police? I never thought of it that way.

I guess then we really don't need police - or a government for that matter, just let the best thief win.

I couldn't have said it better.

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I really don’t care what the Kremlin thinks about the election.

 

A legitimate hearing would call the election officials, workers, observers and witnesses to testify and answer questions under oath. Is this "hearing" doing that?