Should Satanism be recognized by the Government?

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Should Satanism be recognized by the Government as a religion

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    42.1%
  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    No where in the Bible does it say you should NOT "pretend" you're the opposite sex.

    Or is it your contention that, unless the Bible specifically says that it is allowed, then it isn't allowed?

    So the Jehovah Witnesses have it right when they say you shouldn't have a blood transfusion? Is telephone use also banned? What about driving a car? Since the Bible was written a few thousand years ago there is PLENTY in the Bible that is NOT mentioned that is common usage in 2023. Are you saying the Bible requires to live as if we were living in the time of when the Bible was written?
     
  2. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    1. There's no such things as "Judeo-Christian values". This was a term invented by right wing Christians so as not to piss of Jews when they started trying to enforce Christian values on the rest of us.

    2. We were founded on a philosophy known as Enlightenment. It is not a religious philosophy and, in fact, it is a philosophy that is very NON religious. All knowledge comes from the application of reason. There is no divinely inspired knowledge. That includes knowledge of right and wrong. Our "values" did not come from the Christian religion. The fact that we share some values with the Christian religion is not proof that these values came FROM the Christian religion.
     
  3. CKW

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    Well your post is wishful thinking on your part.

    Wonder why we are more similar to Israel rather then the other Middle Eastern countries? Not because Israel is Christian...but because we share Judeo-Christan values..
     
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  4. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    The good news for you is that dreams are free.

    Keep dreaming and making up things as you go along
     
  5. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Wrong.

    Quotation-John-Quincy-Adams-The-highest-glory-of-the-American-Revolution-was-this-it-0-19-75.jpg
     
  6. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Was the Xtofascist controlled GOP election LOSS in 2018 a DREAM?

    Was the Xtofascist controlled GOP election LOSS in 2020 a DREAM?

    Was the Xtofascist controlled GOP election LOSS in 2022 a DREAM?

    Were ALL the Xtofascist controlled GOP election LOSSES when ABORTION was on the ballot a DREAM?

    Only ONE of us is dreaming and we BOTH know that it is NOT me.
     
  7. FatBack

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    Dream up some more fake content from the Bible to post.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    IRONIC coming from someone posting a FAKE Founding Father QUOTE.
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    Heh!

    It is wishful thinking. " All knowledge comes from the application of reason," And that's how we enter the age of the female penis.
     
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  11. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    Wrong


    “If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons, to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians; and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are able to find among them no such act of adoption; we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law. - Thomas Jefferson

    “Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” - James Madison

    As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religious or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility - Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11

    "Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine our civil rights.
    Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people and leads to corruption with religion itself. Erecting the wall of separation between church and state, therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society."- Thomas Jefferson

    “One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.” ― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

    “Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together. - James Madison



     
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  12. Nwolfe35

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    Of course it should. Any religion should be, and they are all due the same respect under the law.
     
  14. FatBack

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    Wow..... You mean to tell me that you found a source on the internet that "suspects".... It's not true and you take it as gospel? Color me absolutely shocked...

    Did you take any issue whatsoever when @Derideo_Te who "liked" your post, completely fabricated something that supposedly in the Bible?

    No you did not, of course you did not
     
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    Actually there is something in the Bible about cross-dressing.

    Deuteronomy 22:5. But specifically says men shouldn't wear clothes that are associated with women and women shouldn't wear clothes that are associated with men. This is more about deception. And we are talking about a society that was very defined on what a woman's role and what a man's role was.

    No it's never specifically condemned to travel by motorized vehicle or using telecommunications.

    Not like cross dressing. That being said I don't think it's a scented crossword if you're not doing it to fool people or lied to them about being a woman.
     
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    I would argue most of the values you have come from Christianity.
    You live in the Western world right you're not in Cambodia or something like that? I'm sorry but your values are extremely heavily influenced by Christianity.
     
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    It's not a religion.
     
  18. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    Very simple solution here. Find the source of the John Quincy Adams quote.

    And what post of mine do you say was "completely fabricated"?
     
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    And I would argue that none of them did.

    Just because I share some of the values of Christianity does not mean any of my values came from Christianity.

    I do not hold any values that are strictly Christian. Any value that I hold that is also held by Christianity is by coincidence not because of divine revelation.
     
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    That would be Illiteracy.
    not only do you share about 90% of your values with Christians, you share your society your schools your public spaces your restaurants your roadways your gas stations with them as well.

    If you didn't share your values you wouldn't be able to share those other things. Go to an Islamic country and try and have your values there.
    So why do you choose specifically to live with Christians? You could move to Cambodia or Iran or Morocco if you want.
     
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    I would think that I know better where MY values come from than you do.

    I don't get my values from a book of myths written by people that didn't realize that the earth circled the sun and not the other way around.

    I would also argue that Western Civilization abandoned "Biblical values" almost 100 years ago.
     
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    God works in mysterious ways

    this is the year 2023, no longer needs to appear as a burning bush (which ironically sounds more like how Satan would appear)
     
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    The First Amendment and subsequent Court decisions relating to it have made it quite clear that 'the Government' has zero authority to interfere with or promote religious beliefs of any persuasion and as far as 'recognition' goes? That extents no further than the recognizing specific churches not the religions they represent (or purport to represent) . And even then this only only for the purposes of taxation, property rights and other routine legal processes.

    So as much as you might like it to be otherwise it' not going to happen. You want to emphasize the importance of Judaeo-Christian beliefs in American history and culture? More power to you, go right ahead. Its your right to do so, same as it's the right of any other American citizen who agrees with you. Unfortunately though any fellow citizens who disagree with you are equally entitled to express a contrasting opinion. You want this to change? You'll have to re-write the Constitution.

    FYI current projections put the total number of non religious Americans on a course to composing more than 50% of the US population v religious Americans of all faiths by about 2070. Make of that what you will.
     
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    Of course it is. Don't be absurd.
     
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  25. Polydectes

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    I assume you hold Western values. Do you not?
    Yes you did.
    Nope.
     

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