Should Satanism be recognized by the Government?

No, it's mockery of Christianity. It's not a religion. It's practice it's ritual it's belief system is all based on Christianity.

It's like calling atheism a religion.

 

You're the one alleging it isn't true.
And I was referring to your left-wing friend completely fabricating something and claiming it came from the Bible

 

That doesn't mean you get to post something and claim it came from the Bible and think that everyone is supposed to believe you and not realize that it's completely untrue

 

You don't know much about this topic do you?

 

Western Values is a very misleading term. For example MY values says there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. However there are many people here in the US (and other "western" countries) that would say we should outlaw homosexual activity or, at the very least, not allow same sex couples to marry or adopt.

So which is the "western value"?

Many "Biblical values" are at odds with my values...so which are the "western" values? The ones given in the Bible or the ones I hold?

Slavery is a "biblical value". The Bible does not condemn slavery and, in some places, gives rules for how masters are to treat slaves. Is slavery a "western" value?

Western countries, by the way, abandoned the idea of slavery 150 years ago.

Both the Bible and I agree that murder is wrong. But my value prohibiting murder does not come from the Bible. I am able to reason as to why murder is wrong. If the only reason you think murder is wrong is because the Bible says it is wrong...then you are not a good person.

Finally, many "biblical" values (for example, murder) were values long before the Bible came along. Where did THOSE people get the idea of murder being wrong if the Bible was not there to tell them that?

 

That's 100% a Western value. Do you think they allow same sex marriage in Iran, Morocco or Thailand?

Believe it or not avoiding judgement against others for things like homosexuality comes from the Bible.

What values do you hold that go against the Bible?

Where does it say in the Bible that people need to keep slaves?

Abolitionists were Predominantly Christian.

What about mercy? What about forgiveness? What about not judging or condemning others?

But without the starting point that murder is wrong you wouldn't

Yeah it can't from the Torah that's older than the Bible maybe by 15 centuries. But it's also part of the Bible.

The Torah.

 

Same sex marriage in the United States has only been legal for about 20 years. The MAIN reason that homosexual marriage was not legal and, in fact, homosexuality was illegal was because of the Bible. Which is the "western value"? Homosexuaity being fine or homosexuality is something that should be legislated against?

That's complete bull. The most basic tenant of the Bible is that those who are not Christian are going to hell. How do you get much more judgemental than agreeing that those who are not part of your religion should be tortured for eternity.

Of the 10 commandments, only 3 of them are something I agree with (Don't kill, don't steal, don't lie). Honor your father and mother is not something to be done blindly and the rest I just toss in the garbage.

It doesn't say you NEED to keep slaves but it does say you MAY keep slaves.

At the time EVERYONE was "predominantly christian". Those that fought to keep slavery were also "predominantly christian" and even used the Bible as justification.

What about them? They are not exclusively "biblical values". Just like with murder, cultures that had never heard of the bible had mercy and forgiveness.

Yes I would, that's the point. If I had never heard of the Bible or the Torah I could STILL reason out that murder is wrong. Other cultures have done so.

 

lol, you don't get to dictate what people post, a link was posted in their post

 

yep, it's about the 1st Amendment and how the government should not be picking and choosing religions, all are valid, you have a right to believe anything you want, it's your right

do you support the 1st Amendment for all Religions?

 

A link to GP chat.
I asked him to post something from the Bible supporting some claim and so he post something coming from GP chat and pretend it's from the Bible.

It was actually pretty hilarious.

 

yep, you can ask, they can post what they want in reply - but we should move on as another poster is concerned we are going off-topic, and they are probably right

 

I'm not sure it was ever illegal just not recognized. But you do understand it was the Western values created the institution of sane sex marriage. That didn't come from China or the middle East it can from the US and Western Euro.

You don't really know much about Christianity. The tenet is that Christians deserve hell we are only saved by the grace of God. I don't know where you get this crap from.

You are misinformed. We are all sinners and fall short of the grace of God. If you ever run into a Christian telling you this i can give you Bible verses to show them they are wrong. The whole point of Christianity is salvation.

You don't need salvation from hell off you are not a sinner.

Do you think it's okay to cheat on your spouse or covet your neighbors spouse?

So I can object to slavery and still follow the Bible?

So show what morality the Abolitionists were violating.

What you don't know about the Bible or Christianity could fill several Bibles. Yeah it's all about mercy and forgiveness.

So do it.

 

Yes it came from Western values. But it DID NOT come from "Biblical values". This is my point. Western values came from the Enlightenment which is decidedly NON religious.

Considering I was a Christian for almost 20 years before becoming an atheist, I do know about Christianity.
I understand the concept that we are all "deserving of hell" (a disgusting concept to be sure) but Christians think they have the one "get out of jail free" card. They know better than everyone else what it takes to avoid hell. It is only Christians who have not been fooled and know "The Truth"

It's not OK to cheat on your spouse (something that the poster boy for the current GOP does not seem to have figured out)
What does it mean to "covet" your neighbor's wife? Does that mean I can't appreciate her physical beauty? That I can't have fantasies?
It's NOT OK to kidnap her if that's what you mean.

Yes you can object to slavery and still follow the Bible but you can also OWN slaves and still follow the Bible, that's the problem.

I don't think they were violating any morality. What they did is looked at a situation and REASONED that it was immoral which is contrary to what the Bible was teaching.

I've found that it's the Christians that generally don't know about the Bible
As Bill Maher once said "Most Christians treat the Bible like a software licensing agreement. They don't really read it, they just scroll to the end and click "I agree"

You want to know how I became and atheist? By studying the Bible. As Penn Jillette once said, "Take some time and put the Bible on your summer reading list. Try and stick with it cover to cover. Not because it teaches history, we've shown you it doesn't. Read it because you'll see for yourself what the Bible is all about, it sure isn't great literature. If it were published as fiction, no reviewer would give it a passing grade. There are some vivid scenes and some quotable phrases, but there's no plot, no structure, there's a tremendous amount of filler and the characters are... painfully one-dimensional. Whatever you do, *don't* read the Bible for a moral code. It advocates prejudice, cruelty, superstition and murder. Read it because we need more atheists, and nothing will get you there faster than reading the damn Bible."

The Bible as the font of all morality? What a joke! The Bible presents the worst morality imaginable. That a human being, with a finite lifespan is capable of doing something so vile that eternal torment and punishment is acceptable. Death and non existence is a preferable morality.
And it not only teaches this, it teaches those who follow it that this is something to be celebrated.

I HAVE done it.

Another Penn Jillette quote, "The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don't want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don't want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you."

A quote from Albert Einstein, "If people are good only because they fear punishment and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."

If your god were to order you to do something you found reprehensible would you do it? After all, if your god orders it doesn't it automatically make it morally correct?

If that is your response, that you would follow the orders of God and, say, kill a child just on his say so, they you don't have morals...you simply follow orders.

If you decide that you would not kill the child then you have decided that your morality is superior to that of your God.

Which side are you on?

 

You don't seem to have the first clue what biblical values are.

You've been wrong about everything regarding Christianity so far.

It suggests we're all equal and any judgment from another person is hypocritical. It's a very American value.

You don't know what it means to covet? Use a dictionary. Learn the ****ing language you're speaking.

Why?

Then why did they justify abolition with Christianity?

You don't seem to either.

I've read it. You seem to have forgotten a lot. You seem to want to take it as a narrative. It's a collection of stories.

You don't seem to have any idea what's in the Bible

Penn Gillette's statement doesn't explain why murder is wrong. Not wanting to is meaningless.

People aren't good Einstein doesn't seem to be familiar with the Bible.

God orders?

You didn't.

Tell me why murder is wrong.

 

He PROVED that you posted a FAKE Founding Fathers quote.

ONUS is NOW on YOU to PROVE that it is a VALID quote.

Duly NOTED that you have FAILED to do so up to this point.

FTR I provided a LINK to the SOURCE of the "bible quote" thereby ACKNOWLEDGING the ACTUAL source.

Clearly the HUMOR was WASTED as it always appears to be among those who erroneously BELIEVE that ONLY they "KNOW" the "TRUTH".

Here is a NEWSFLASH!

We have a SECULAR government of WE the PEOPLE because that was the ORIGINAL INTENTION of the Founding Fathers when they wrote the Constitution and the BoR.

Any and all attempts to SUBVERT our SECULAR government and REPLACE it with a DYSTOPIAN THEOCRACY are UNAMERICAN and VIOLATIONS of the Law of the Land.

Reality matters.

 

He didn't prove a damn thing. His own link said it is suspected to be untrue.

And yes you're right reality does matter which is why you shouldn't make up fake Bible quotes and claim they came from the Bible.

There's also another well-known quote from a founding father that said the Constitution was written for a moral and religious people and that it was wholly unsuited for the governance of any other

 

That was the ENTIRE point!

It is RISIBLE to BELIEVE that the bible is a DEFINING "authority" on the EXISTENCE of Transpeople.

DEMANDING that they MUST exist in the bible or it is a "SIN" is utterly RIDICULOUS to the point of being HILARIOUS.

But somehow you INSIST that there MUST be a "bible verse" or is doesn't "exist".

Does your bible acknowledge the existence of PLANES?

Is it doesn't then FLYING must be SINFUL according to YOUR demands about transpeople.

Capiche?

 

Tell yourself whatever you need to but the Bible doesn't support perversion as a lifestyle.

In fact it specifically condemns perversion as a lifestyle.

It says that a man laying with another man is an abomination.

But of course back in those days probably no one conceived that a man would try to tell himself that he was a woman and try to tell the world around him to believe the same thing.

 

His LINK established that there is NOTHING to SUPPORT him EVER saying what you FALLACIOUSLY alleged he said "endorsing" religion.

The ONUS remains on YOU to PROVE beyond any doubt that he said those words.

You STILL cannot.

Yet another blatant FALSEHOOD!

I clearly labeled it as being from a FICTIONAL "book" in the bible...

...AND and INCLUDED a LINK to the original SOURCE.

Isn't it a SIN to bear FALSE WITNESS?

Doubling DOWN duly noted above.

Does it also include LIES about the INTENT of the Constitution while "endorsing" Xtianity?

Only reason I ask is because there are FAKE "endorsements" of Xtianity all over the interwebs.

Doubtful that ANY of them can withstand SCRUTINY.

 

HILARIOUS!

Sound FAMILIAR because that PHRASE is uttered in Xtian MARRIAGE vows NATIONWIDE.

That is one WOMAN declaring her UNDYING LOVE for another woman...

...in YOUR bible.

Same thing happened when King David declared his LOVE for Johnathan.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/2-samuel/1-26-compare.html

From the ABOVE your bible ENDORSES the LOVE between TWO men and TWO women.

That means your bible DEFINITELY endorses what YOU claim to be "PERVERSION".

Who should we BELIEVE?

YOUR words on a message board?

Of the biblical PASSAGES that DEMONSTRATE that SAME SEX love is ENDORSED by your bible?

You NEED to get your bible SORTED out because if it SAYS one thing in one place and something else in another place them that is an INDICATION that what you are READING is FOS.

There is a GOOD REASON why Xtianity is DYING out in the rest of the world and DECLINING at an increasingly RAPID pace here in America.

Millennials and GenZ understand that your bible is FOS and that is why they are EMBRACING reality and ACCEPTING themselves for who they are INSIDE themselves.

Fallacious accusation about "perversions" just DRIVE AWAY more and more sane normal rational people like myself and MILLIONS of others.

Reality matters, religion does NOT when it comes to people living their own genuine LIFESTYLES.

 

It's too bad you didn't continue reading what your chatbot had to say....



And salvation means that God will not leave you in your sin and your false identity. If you are his child, he will sanctify you and call you to leave your life of sin (John 8:11), deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow him (Luke 9:23). Part of that will mean leaving behind a sinful identity and embracing how he made you to be—either as a man (male) or woman (female) (Genesis 1:27; Matthew 19:4

And your Bible verses that you quoted in your attempt to try to say Christianity somehow endorse his homosexuality.... Were clearly speaking about love but not sexual love.

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!

That was the AUTHOR of the linked article, NOT the ChatGTP AI.

HILARIOUS!

FTR no one is BUYING that BS about "platonic" love.

YOUR bible is FULL of LIES starting with the LIE your god told Adam and Eve in the garden of eden.

Surprised that ANYONE believes ANY of that bovine excrement in the bible given that it is RIDDLED with CONTRADICTIONS and LIES.

 

It's sad that you can't even let this day go by without feeling the need to ridicule the beliefs of others.

Anyhow I hope you have a good day nonetheless.

 

Just another day as far as the MAJORITY of the world's POPULATION is concerned.

That YOU choose to BELIEVE the BS in the bible is your RIGHT.

I am EXERCISING my RIGHT to EXPOSE the BS in the bible.

Sad that you "feel the need" to belittle others who do NOT share your beliefs.

 

You can dish it but you can't take it.

It's like kid Rock said.... A lot of people poke fun and that's all right but when I start poking back they get all uptight.

With the things that you believe you have zero room to attempt to ridicule the beliefs of anyone.

Believe the science, except that whole chromosome thingy..... Don't believe that part.