Should we (or the courts) show Trump some 'mercy'?

I've noticed some on this forum speaking about Trump, showing concern that the james suit, and the Carrol suit, seeks to ruin Trump, and I'm getting the idea that we should be sympathetic to Trump, and his plight, as if he is some kind of victim.

Apparently many of you don't really know who Trump is.

Well, this young attorney, Jessica Denson, who was a Trump supporter, once upon a time, who spoke out about Trump, violating an NDA, then Trump upended her life, and she has a story to tell you about who Trump is. The real Trump, the man you need to learn about, the truth about Trump.

This video below is her 'podcast', and my purpose isn't to get you to watch the entire thing, only the first few minutes. from the beginning up to at @4:34 into the video, and I've provided a transcript of it, in case you don't want to, or can't, watch it:


[...] New York attorney general Laticia James will start seizing his [Trump's] prized namesake properties. So, you better believe he's begging the court for mercy. And in true form, this adjudicated fraudster is now begging his duped and often destitute supporters to give him the millions that no one else will.

Well, you know that book that so-called Christian Trump supporters claim to follow? Well, Christ Jesus says in The Sermon on the Mount, "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy." I think it's worth remembering just what a merciful life Donald Trump has led.

In a moment like this, I want to read to you today from a USA Today report back in 2016 when Trump was first running. It said, "At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work." Among them, a dishwasher in Florida, a glass company in New Jersey, a carpet company, a plumber, painters, 48 waiters, dozens of bartenders, and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs. Real estate brokers who sold his properties, and ironically, no surprise here, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

It goes on to add that more than 200 mechanic liens filed by contractors and employees against Trump, his companies, or his properties, claiming they were owed money for their work since the 1980s, ranged from $75,000 from a heating and air conditioning company in Plainview, New York, to a million-dollar claim from the president of a New York real estate banking firm. This is how much Donald Trump cares about other people's woes and not getting their bills paid.

In his book, "Trump University," prosecutor Tristan Snell speaks of the path of destruction Trump left in the lives of those victims and how they felt like such fools in the aftermath. Tristan writes, "Trump took their money, as much as $35,000 per person and sometimes more, and left them with nothing to show for it but fake diplomas and photos of themselves standing next to a cardboard cutout of Trump." Pretty telling and true image to what Donald Trump really is in the end: a cardboard cutout.

So, to top this off, I want to add my own story of Trump mercy that is oh so relevant to this moment. Back in 2019, the Trump campaign obtained a $50,000 judgment against me for alleged violations of their non-disclosure agreement. It was the most terrifying time of my life. Donald Trump, as president, was trying to turn this country into Russia, and I was a living example of the political persecution he dreamed of for citizens who dared to speak out against him.

My team, of course, was appealing the judgment, and as we were negotiating a stay of execution (this is kind of what you do as parties in a matter before you go to the court and ask them for something), we were negotiating with them before we filed and asked for the court for it. The Trump campaign went behind our back and started executing on the judgment right away. They froze my bank account, threatened to discourage any income I had (which was minimal because my life had literally been taken over by litigating against them), and they went so far as to attack the small legal fund that my attorneys had saved for me in escrow. They really, literally were trying to completely disable and shut me up and leave me with nothing. They were merciless. And unlike Trump, my appeal had merit. Not only was their judgment illegal and would be overturned, but I would go on to invalidate the entire NDA as illegal and unenforceable.

Just in case you're meeting me for the first time today, I want you to know that there was a time when I believed Trump and supported him. That's how I got here. So, fair warning, MAGA, before you give your life savings to a con artist, there are so many of us out here trying to warn you that Trump doesn't care about this country, and he sure as hell doesn't care about you.

The point is this, apparently Trump or his attorneys are asking the court for mercy, leniency trying to get the judgement much lower, etc., and so the question is, should the court give this man mercy? Clearly, the answer is no, and the proverbial crows have come home to roost on a life time of misdeeds and screwing people.

But, in truth, there is so much more to this story she didn't tell, like the lighting contractor who provided Trump's casino with a million dollars worth of lighting, and Trump, just because he could, decided not to pay the contractor, which, in turn, forced him into bankruptcy. Trump has been doing this kind of thing his entire life. Why? Because he's powerful and was able to get away with it, knowing that most folks are not in a strong enough position to fight back.

Well the tides have turned, and I urge none of you to show this man no mercy, none, whatsoever, don't feel sorry for him. He is not a 'victim' he is a victimizer.

How many sexual assaults, bragging of assaults, accusations of sex abuse, how many indictments, how many felony charges against this man, how many indictments and convictions of his associates, how many lawsuits for non payment, how many liens and judgements against this man equalling millions dollars of misery this man as left in the wake of people's lives will it take for you to understand that he is not your friend, that he doesn't care about you, only himself, and that he is not worthy of the presidency?

How many ruined lives by this man will it take for you to realize the truth about Trump? Hmmmm?

https://www.youtube.com/live/juEbcO-Gq_8?si=6Q7QDeVJxRBWUTLp

 

The real question is what are the details of the actual offense, and are the courts overreacting.

 

The evidence that Biden committed an assault is stronger than for Trump.

The NYC judge and jury in the Jean Carol lawsuit case was kooky and crooked.
(But then again, progressives seem to think a woman should be awarded millions of dollars if she accuses someone of sexually abusing her 20 years ago when there's no other real evidence)

Carol is wacky flower child hippie, and she accused another rich media man of raping her at the same time she first went public with her accusation against Trump, things that make the accusation all the more dubious and absurd.

 

This is kind of a failed thread if you're not going to go into the details of exactly what that situation was with her, and why exactly she was sued.

If your point is "Trump did bad", then maybe you should make some effort to explain why she didn't deserve it?

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like she was trying to sue Trump's campaign over something she should not have been given any money for, so as a result Trump's legal team sued her back.

 

Both juries and both judges?

 

Yes.

I know it stretches the imagination, but the NYC area where Trump grew up in is a Democrat Party bastion and a huge swath of the population really hate Trump there (especially so after he ran for President on the Republican side).

The culture in the NYC area also is lacking in morals and ethics that are prevalent in the rest of the country.

The fact that this could happen really says something about the character of Democrats and the people in NYC. (Well, in my opinion)

 

She points out that he just can't believe he can't make a court do his bidding. Too bad for him.

To those that say no harm no foul on his lying to obtain the cheaper loans. Yes, he paid them back but how many people couldn't get loans from his banks because of his fraudulent loan application?

 

You do know the defense can reject jurors with biases? Or perhaps you believe his lawyers are really stupid? After all T**** did get 40% of the vote in NYC, a gross whooping sure but odds are 40% of the jury pools were his supporters.

Bad lawyers or guilty, guilty, GUILTY!

 

I thought the fraudulent loans fine was a political hitjob that will hurt the country more than help it - regardless of whether Trump becomes President or not.

Everybody does it. When I requested a valuation for my home the professional valuer asked for the purpose of the valuation, so he could tweak the valuation estimate up or down depending on its purpose.

 

And then there was the time that Trump flew a kid across the country and his private jet free of charge who needed treatment for cancer.

Trump also had a long history of philanthropic and charitable actions but of course the Trump haters don't want to hear any of that they'll either say it didn't happen or it doesn't matter

 

Not everybody. Most are reasonable in their estimations if perhaps overly positive. He flat out lied grossly to obtain money he otherwise would have been unable to get at highly reduced rates. $739 million for a property he paid taxes for $12 million after buying it for $7 million.
Remember, every dime he received resulted in someone honest not getting a loan for that dime.

 

I feel like the issue is so politicized that it's impossible to have a conversation about it on this board.

Nevertheless , looking at the case in evaluations it's absolutely all over the place.

On the matter of purchasing price he bought it 1985.

In terms of tax valuation, Palm Beach County tax appraiser’s valuations, which ranged from $18 million to $37 million, is based on zoning. (Funny thing is woth all of these MSM articles you don't get to hear their side. Crappy journalism, but there might be a better articles out there. I will concede I'm not absolutely fully informed on this). But...as a private residence, real estate agents are talking about a few hundreds of millions to over a billion. I can imagine it easily be worth into the hundreds of millions for the novelty factor and also the significant amount of land in that area.


https://apnews.com/article/trump-maralago-lawsuit-palm-beach-51fea4e520b1901c1c045590b2a7bdc0


But here's my point. The judge chose to pin the lowest value on Trump. I think he's absolutely biased to the hilt and should be disbarred. And what on earth is a judge in New York worrying about what Trump does in Florida. That's for local enforcement in Florida to pick him up on if they want to. I think, certainly the Florida aspect of it, is in absolute political hit job. Now when Trump lies about the size of the floorspace in some of the buildings that Trump owns in New York different matter - and probably deserve some very significant fines into the millions. But I've come to the conclusion that half a billion dollars is absolutely outrageously ridiculous. It's a deranged judge sitting there acting like a god and just making stuff up.

I absolutely loathe Trump and I hope he goes down but this kind of, nothing less than, judiciary corruption is not the way to do it. It weakens the country and makes the US look like a banana republic. I think it's absolutely NOT the way to 'get him'. I think getting him should be absolutely done by the book since Trump created so much karma. Surely not that hard, right?? And if he can't be gotten by the book then so be it. If he legitimately makes it to be President and that's what voters want then so be it. And, again the left must rely on honest and legitimate representations to limit his power and influence. The left can't just twist the system in one way and then pretend it's an honest system in another way when it suits them. Let's make them look just as bad and just as corrupt.

 

Here's a better question: If Biden's parents had never met would the country be better off?

 

Does Trump have to show mercy when he is elected in 2024?

 

Mercy not needed. Apologizes might be accepted if the weaponization is stopped and the falsely accused made whole.

 

I’ll take equal treatment compared to other politicians. So please send Trump to Prison, but ONLY after the Clintons, Bidens and Obamas.

Fair?

 

There is an old saying: "If You Can't Do The Time, Don't Do The Crime".

He is being held accountable for his actions. That's all.

 

I could see granting leniency,
After all, a vindictive verdict is an unjust verdict.

Please present the allocution.

 

Trump is the victim. Carrol was a he said she said with zero evidence. How is that beyond a reasonable doubt? The other one I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Then there’s the NY AG who literally ran on using her office to target a political adversary before she even knew what or if he done anything wrong. They most definitely are targeting him because he was a president and that’s it. I decided I’m going to vote for him because of this. I hate everyone running but I’ll vote for him and I hope he uses his office in the same way democrats have used their office against him.

 

Any proof of said crimes?

 

There is zero evidence against Joe Biden

Nor can you produce squat as evidence

There is a TON of evidence against Trump

. How you cannot know this literally boggles the mind

 

Everybody doesn't do it to the tune of 1000%
On loan Then 1000% the other way on tax

It's degree to which Trump has done it.And this isn't the only thing here. Read the OP

 

All of the lawsuits against Trump are public record and half of the charges in the indictments he committed were committed out in the open--we witnessed them.

WTFU

 

that is not accurate.
In NY Trump was notorious

It's common for an attorney general to run on getting a notorious bad guy.

Read the OP it's not just about Carrol.

Joe Biden has nothing to do with the AG or indictments. He sure as hell had nothing to do with the state indictments. If he had anything to do with the AG he would have directed the A.G to stop the investigation and indictment of his own son.

WU

 

NO MERCY FOR TRUMP. This weaponized commie witch hunt is the best thing that could have happened for his election. No backing out now. FOLLOW THROUGH please so I can sit back and watch it blow up in dems faces. It will bring me great joy. Cheers!