I wonder if I should pay restitution to people in Norway since my viking ancestors kept other europeans as slaves, or perhaps maybe my ancestors were once slaves and I'm owed restitution. It's likely some of my ancestors were slaves and some of my ancestors kept slaves. In that case, I suppose I must pay restitution to myself. But how would one pay restituition to themselves. I suppose I could take some money out of the bank then put it back in the bank??? I'm confused.
Thats funny how every white person who lives in America today makes the claim that they didn't arrive in this country until after the Civil War. Look over to the woman lying on your left, she is the one who benefits the most from affirmative action, therefore, you benefit from it also.
We didn't see any complaining from conservatives in 1983 when Reagan gave reparations to Japanese-Americans for being put in concentration camps during WII. Now how is it that you are ok with a group of people being paid for being prisoners for about 4yrs, but you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and moan when it comes to a group of people who were done an injustice for over 400 yrs. That is absolutely amazing.
I'm glad you asked that question. Let's tackle it, shall we? The nation did not go to war against itself to free the Interned Japanese prisoners. The federal government did not afterwards deny the right of self-governance to vast numbers of states and their citizens as punishment after the fact. The federal government did not create an entire slate of never before seen on Earth Civil Rights legislation to correct any previous injustices WITH them as the main reason for doing so. But for Blacks? Yep and yep and yep again. So, you see . . . by the copiously spilt blood of this nation and by the rights denied entire states of people after the fact and by the specific creation of Civil Rights laws . . . Blacks have already had their 'reparation' on a huge scale. So they can continue whining like spoiled little babies for MORE HANDOUTS at taxpayers expense forever and a day but they are unlikely to be getting significant more freebies from this nation from here on out than they've already gotten handed to them. Sorry but the gravy train free ride system had to come to an end at some point and they will have to grow up and toughen up just as if they were -- gasp! -- no better than any other citizen. Awwwwww . . . so sad.
All the Civil Rights Laws did was stop most of the injustices that were being done against black folks it was definitely not reparations. Can you give me a list of all the Free Handouts that black folks have received that has not been afforded to whites.
Ronald Reagan was alive when the Japanese Americans on the west coast were put in internment camps. No one alive today was alive 150 years ago when blacks were slaves. Moreover, millions of, "white devils" died in the civil war to free the slaves. So, in other words, you believe white people alive today should be punished for what some other white people did before they were born.
Yeah the Civil Rights laws were reparations since they essentially and artificially and PERMANENTLY pushed minorities ahead of others in areas of hiring preferences and college entrance requirements as well as in other areas that escape me at the moment. Those, by the way, were the . . . free handouts. So they've already had their precious reparations and so justice has been done. Ain't that nice?
Every white person who lives in America today arrived in this country after the civil war. No one, red, yellow, brown, or even white has been alive for 150 years.
Plus most of the defeated southern states were then ground into the mud after the fact by the victorious northern government and thus those EVIL residents were already thoroughly punished 150 years ago. Really, when you get right down to it, this is just a matter of greed on the part of some Blacks. They are drooling over the thought of being handed -- what are they demanding from the government nowadays -- a cool million dollars or so per person simply because they have dark skin color. It's rather sleazy on their part.
True, but many black folks are alive today that suffered under Jim Crow segregation which subjected black folks to treatment worse than the family pet. Many black folks are still alived today who had relatives who were terrorized, beaten and lynched and those responsible for it were never brought to the Bar of Justice or does that not count. Who were they fighting against? Many black folks also died in their war to free the slaves. So what is your point? How many Germans are alive today that are responsible for the Holocaust? - - - Updated - - - How about their great, great grandfathers and mothers did they arrive after the Civil War also?
No it does not count. It's called history. Effective reparations have already been engaged in the form of the Civil War, in the treatment of southern states after the war, and in the form of Civil Rights legislation . . . and that is ALL that Blacks are getting no matter how much longer they stand around with their palms thrust toward Washington, D.C. whining and crying about how baaaaaaaaaaaad things were and how much the rest of the nation OWES them. Tough cheese. They can grow the hell up.
Uh Jim Crow segregation, beatings, terrorizing and lynching occured after the Civil War genuis. So the treatment of whites for treating black folks less than human is reparations to black folks. Here is a newsflash for you, the black folks who remained in the South were still treated less than human and were in much worse shape than any white man living in the South. Spoken like a true foolish racist. That speech will get you a pat on the back over at Stormfront.
The point is you believe white people should be punished for what some other white people did before they were born and a number of those white people's ancestors fought in the civil war to free the slaves. Should they have to pay restitution to African Americans alive today? Are Germans paying restitution for what their ancestors did before they were born. A large number of white people living in America today had ancestors that came to America after the civil war. For example half the population of Norway emigrated to the United States between 1880 and 1920. Jim Crow counts as discrimination, and jim crow laws still exist in 2014. For example, I was applying for a job on an indian reservation and in big red letters it said INDIAN PREFERANCE
My thinking on this has gone round and round, but I think your point about white people arriving in this country after the civil war is irrelevant. If there were a legal obligations for slavery, it would fall to the nation, regardless on whether an individual citizen traced his ancestry to pre or post Civil War American citizens. Obviously it would have been better if reparations could have been completed after the civil war, but the assassination of Lincoln and the Democratic ascendancy put an end to that. Clearly, the former slaves should have gotten some sort of reparations, but very few did. At this late date, it would be a logistic nightmare and end up being very divisive to even figure out who should get reparations. Let's see how the Egyptians do providing reparations for Jews and see if their are parts of their plan that can be adopted.
Nor did I imply otherwise. What part of 'HISTORY' and 'Reparations have ALREADY been made' went -- zip! -- over your head? If something is in the past by roughly fifty years then -- gasp! -- it is STILL the past. As to that puerile taunt, I invite you to look up Godwin's Law and its various corollaries. Different subject matter -- yes -- but it applies all the same. The gratuitous accusation of "Racist!" spewed simply because you are losing an argument invokes a 'law' corollary. What it means essentially is that as a poster you just got rattled and reached for -- in this instance -- what you were conditioned to believe in as a 'never can fail to end all discussion and arguments' Race Card. Meh . . . but times have changed and nowadays -- outside of Salon.com and The Daily Kos and TheRoot you actually have to win a debate by legitimate logic structures and/or -- if you wish -- a plethora of facts, figures, and statistics.
No because then Brown Hispanics would say, "Hey what about us. Gringos also exploited our people for centuries! Where our money?" Native Americans would say, "Hey you forked-tongued devils stole our native lands and pushed us on reservations. Where's our forking money?" Then people of Italian and Irish descent would exclaim, "Hey our ancestors were treated like dogs when they came to this nation. Where's our money?" Then Asians would exclaim, "Hey our ancestors . . . " The point being that IF one is going to base policies on the bad things that happened in the past then EVERYBODY has a legitimate beef to issue AND a right to reparations. There is also another way to look at it. You are actually going to tell millions upon millions of Hispanics that THEY have to fork over money from their income tax payments for something that some gringos did to Blacks? Now THAT should be interesting. Um . . . for that matter, I suspect that the nation's millions of Asians would also look askance at that action.
I don't think I ever said white folks should be punished for what happened to black folks in this country. I believe my statement is that if Jewish people and Japanese folks deserve repartations for their treatment then surely there is no way in hell you can't tell me that black folks deserve the same for the over 400yrs of injustice that we suffered through in America. Yes they are. The Germans will be paying restitution until somewhere around or after 2020. Doesn't matter, it is the country that is paying restitution for an injustice not individual people. Jim Crow was more than discrimination. Folks were being beaten, terrorized and lynched and America as a nation stood by and did nothing. When the Klan was at the height of its power in the South. The police and sheriff depts were a part of it. The courts were a part of it. The Justice System itself was a part of it.
Please tell me what reparations have black folks rec'd for slavery? What reparations have black folks rec'd for Jim Crow? What reparations have black folks rec'd for over 400 yrs of racism and discrimination in America? You might have an argument if you were winning it, but you are not. Rattled from what, your racist rant. You try to make the claim that Civil Rights Laws were reparations. Civil Rights Laws only stopped injustices from being done, they didn't account for the injustices that had already been done. See its kind of like making it against the law for murdering someone. That stops more murders from being committed it doesn't address the ones that had already taken place.
Native Americans have specific treaties and privileges dealing with them. They are under a sort of tribal socialism now, so I don't think they have much in the way of outstanding claims. I do see slavery as different from having ancestors being told no Irish need apply. Obviously if we take reparations to that level, who doesn't get reparations? I realize other groups have gotten their act together and have been able to overcome adversity, and for some reason, Black Americans have not. Cutting them a check won't fix their problems (in fact it will probably make them worse temporarily) but the US probably has an obligation there. I just don't think blacks would like how little amount it would be.
I already posted the answers to those questions. Just because you disagree with them that does not prevent them from being answers. As for your increasing personal abuse and attacks; your descent into such tactics means that you have nothing left by way of convincing arguments and have grown frustrated. So that's the end oh my replies to you on this thread.
No, the United States has no additional ethical obligation, because what has already been done by way of actually having a Civil War and then deliberately punishing many southern states AFTER the war and then creating sweeping Civil Rights legislation during the 1960s already amounts to reparations on a massive scale. Enough is enough and it's the citizens in general who get to decide upon the definition of 'enough'. We don't see many national level leftwing politicians seriously pushing for additional reparations for the simple reason that they know that it would quite probably be the fabled straw that broke the back of the public's tolerance for special indulgences of -- what at this point really and truly does amount to a bunch of whiners endlessly howling. "Give us more!" and "You OWE us!" On the other hand I have been proved wrong about things in the past and for all I know some high profile leftwing national level politician might just start howling about the 'moral imperative to make reparations' tomorrow which would be instantly endorsed by the Left dominated Mainstream Media and pushed in the nation's face for all they are worth. So who knows?
Not just white men but white women and children as well. They all benefited from the blood of slaves. 1. You really don’t feel as guilty as you want everyone to believe you do. 2. You are 100% satisfied with your unearned privileges. 3. Pretending not to be aware of your White Privilege isn’t fooling anyone. And so much more.
White men should be severely disciplined and punished for what their evil ancestors did as well as what they continue to do today. And President Obama is doing a very impressive and thorough job in making white men pay for the evil and unspeakable crimes which they have committed against America's black people in particular. White men should be punished for what their evil ancestors did simply because their redneck and racist genes are carried over to the white men of today. Many recalcitrant and stubborn white men have not yet learned their lesson, but our President will continue to discipline them until they do. Viva! Bravo Obama! Gracias
The thing is, Congress did pass a bill that set up a bureau to redistribute farmland, the fabled "40 acres and a mule" to freed slaves. If that had been completed, if freed slaves had been set up as landowners, American history might have been radically different. Of course now, reparations or no reparations, it probably won't make much difference. However I do think reparations would be a good trade to get rid of Affirmative Action.
