There is a reason I wear a suit to a job interview. People will treat you a certain way based on how you dress. Doesn't matter whether you're a girl or a guy.
This is just a chance for feminists to say "look at us, we can do whatever we want". It has nothing to do with rape. It's all about bringing attention to themselves in the belief that they are showing everybody that they're "strong independent women"(in their minds). We get it already.
THIS THIS THIS..... how you dress is important. Should it be is debatable... I argue yes... it tells people who you are, what you stand for, even if you're easy or a slut. I want people to treat me professionally, so I dress professionally. When I go on road trips around my state, I never wear shorts and flipflops.... I dress up in a shirt and tie so if I happen to get pulled over, I look more professional than in I have my hat sideways with my seat leaned back super far. and I have been pulled over but never given a ticket... and I was double the posted speed limit one time.... (45 in a schoolzone) that doesn't mean I think women who dress like hoochies should get raped because I love hitting on these kind of girls in clubs.... hot, young, skinny, dressed very provacatively.... I love it.... it tells me which ones are DTF. I haven't ever raped any of them, but it does send me a clear signal which ones I have a better chance to get lucky with. Some guys don't have my self-control though.... I've been shot down by some of these girls, and some do it very rudely.... all guys get pissed at this stuff, but some can't control their anger.... this is when girls can find themselves in trouble....
Do you think a man would only rape a woman wearing revealing clothing, or would he also be capable of raping a woman wearing jeans and a t-shirt?
If a man can't stop because he is too horny to stop, the problem lies with him and not the girls short skirt.
There's the potential for either. But there is MORE potential, especially when it comes to date rape, if the woman is dressing and acting provocatively. Ok... But why encourage it?
Are the attacks referred to sexual attacks, verbal attacks, or physical attacks? I ask because there is never any excuse for sexual assault. But sometimes, if a woman (or man, for that matter) is behaving "poorly," I believe others have the right to tell them to stop being jackasses.
Good point. I think that blaming women for being sexually assaulted just because they're "acting a fool" is a load of horse manure, personally. However, in your quest for equality, you MAY be subjected to some coarse opinions. Also, Minx, don't fret. Most people demanding women dress moderately are, as we speak, wanking to interracial lesbian porn.
Dressing and acting provocatively are two different things DAn. I have seen respectful women wearing a short business skirt or cut off shorts. If you are in a club, mall, park etc, you are going to see at least 80% of women wearing shorts, a skirt, a tank top etc. Does this mean they all are acting provocatively? Not every woman who doesn't wear long sleeves and a dress to their ankles are asking for it. If you(general) don't want to extend respect to a woman who is not covered, don't open the door for her, don't help her with a flat on the side of the road, tell her that she may attract rapist b/c her shorts are too short. If a man wears a muscle shirt and gets raped by a gay male, will his clothes ever be in question? I'm with you on the acting enticing part while selling wolf tickets, but nice girls with nice bodies WILL wear clothes that compliment their figure. I dare a woman to say she's never worn revealing clothes(shorts tank top etc) on a hot day!
You know, statistically, sexual assault and harassment complaints are much higher in countries with forced modesty than they are in countries without it. And that's not even saying anything about the cases that go un-reported. I'm not saying the relationship is causal - that a decrease in modesty inevitably leads to an increase in sex crimes - I'm just saying that the idea that immodesty causes sex crimes is debunked and ridiculous.
Can you prove that claim? As a woman I can tell you that if you don't know much about a new man its better to wear a demure suit and pearls rather than dress provocatively on a first date. Sexy clothing in no way justifies rape.. But women should be aware of the signals they send.
Rape is about power anyway. The rapist gets off on the control he has more than the physical appearance of the victim. If it was simply about appearance then all you would see is young attractive rape victims.
Hold on to that. I'll find you the study. I was posted in another forum. Do my best to get it too you. And I agree with you completely. I believe that a woman acting like, say, Paris Hilton is being inappropriate. But just as being black and dressing like a gang banger does not ethically justify assault, a woman dressing like the quintessential "Lady of the Evening" does not justify a male (or a female) in sexually harassing or assaulting her.
@Margot This is the article with the survey included. http://foreverinhell.com/wordpress/?p=1382 If you can't find it, I may have sent the wrong link. Let me know. The article contains the link to the stats, I believe.
That's a crock off psych-babble BS. Its the sexual component of the rape that makes it rape. If it was about nothing but power assault and battery would suffice.
Actually, RagingIconoclast is overwhelmingly correct. Often in developing countries rape takes place within the confines of marriage and is perfectly legal. (60% of marriages in the world today are still arranged ones, mind you.) To the extent that it takes place outside that framework, women often feel obliged to commit suicide rather than simply report the crime...because their culture shames women for losing their virginity before or outside of marriage, no matter how. In developed countries like the United States, by contrast, the rate of sexual assaults is declining. For instance, according to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network, the rate of rapes in the U.S. has fallen off by about 60% since the mid-1990s. Studies have revealed that such is mainly the product of a qualitative increase in the reporting of rapes. I, in turn, tend to believe that the increased willingness to report rape in this country has to do with the amount of sexual liberalization in general that has taken place in the interim, including in the forms of increased proliferation of sex education, as well as, frankly, free Internet porn and other things. Americans are just all-around more willing to talk about sex these days without feeling ashamed as a result...including about their negative sexual experiences. The point here is that prudism gets women nowhere, and certainly nowhere closer to liberation. Locking the topic of sex up in the closet only intimidates people, especially women, from discussing it. Correspondingly, dressing modestly will do nothing to improve women's lot. The real reason so many of you blame the victims is because, quietly, you approve of the crime and seek a way to justify it.
Sorry to double-post, but I think this should definitely be added: Another important contributing factor to the recent decline in abuse of women in general in the U.S. has been the Violence Against Women Act, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1994. It stepped up the prosecution of violent crimes against women and increased penalties for such acts while guaranteeing restitution for the determined victims. This law has been a leading factor in the decline of rape in this country. It has been another major factor that has emboldened women to report the domestic abuses they suffer. Here's another structural adjustment that would likely improve things further in the future: One of the hindrances to women seeking a fair application of the legal system is a lack of womens representation in that system's hierarchy. While three female Supreme Court justices are certainly a step in the right direction, even that huge stride gives women disproportionately small representation. Women are under-represented as prosecutors, judges and police officers throughout North America. Statistics cited by UN Women indicate that data from 40 countries where women are present in the police, reporting of sexual assault increases. Makes sense, right?
I will give you its his fault....but I argue that getting raped is indeed the girls problem too. Is being "in the right" enough after you or or daughter gets raped?
