So after 100 thousand Americans have died, we know whose fault all of this is.

Trump has TDS, he is patient zero, why the disease is named after him, is he contagious?

let's vote him out in 2020, too many on the left and right are at risk of becoming infected

 

It's okay, you don't need to admit you play for team China. I know who you would pick...

You're on team joe

 

I find your argument for granting President Trump god-like powers compelling.

How do you propose we go about getting that done?

 

We sure do.

 

If your staff provided you the information but you refused to read it, would you be at fault?

 

Trump isn’t a disease, he’s a symptom of a larger societal disease. Returning to the status quo is not a viable option.

 

I would expect them to point out this is a problem. Not just put it in front of me and expect me to draw my own conclusions.

 

But if it was part of your job, to daily read the information provided, wouldn't you read it? And if you didn't, what would be their recourse?

 

I am surprised to see a former military officer accuse a member here of being "totally ignorant about" <anything>: Seems like a violation of the rules to me, but I don't go running to the mods like a whiny little ***** about posts the way I suspect many members of Team T are likely inclined to do.

Trump is now in his fourth year in office and all of the turnover in his administration has had an accumulative adverse effect on the overall quality of our Federal Government. Your attempt at explaining the delegation of authority between a base commander and a meteorologist is exquisite. Did the base commander ever take out a sharpie and adjust one of your forecasts?

 

Lets go back to my example as a weather forecaster. I did not just throw a bunch of weather maps and weather data on my bosses desk and expect him to determine what was going to cause problems. I told him what weather was going to affect his operation.

 

Trump: The Grim Reaper

 

He has accused me of the same thing. He makes it a habit to denigrate anyone who disagrees with him. Generally, I restrain my language, but I make an exception for Golem.

Just a bit of a correction for your benefit. I am not a former military officer. I am still a military officer. I am a retired military officer. I am still entitled to the same courtesy now as when I was an active duty officer.

 

Thanks for the clarification, not that it works for me though. Let's get back on topic, yes? Do you have an opinion regarding the appropriateness of the sharpie adjustment to the NOAA hurricane plot being presented to the nation by the President? Seems just fine to you, does it?

 

But we aren't talking about weather forecasting, are we? We are talking about Trump's leadership and where the buck stops. His daily intelligence briefings would make him better equipped to make decisions. But he has been clear about his disinterest in them. I wouldn't say it is the fault of those who bring him the briefings.

 

When I was on active duty presenting formal forecasts, it was not unusual to a commander or someone else to say that they believed my forecast was wrong. The temperature was going to be higher or lower, the clouds were going to be higher or lower, the visibility was going to be better or worse, that storm is going to go south or north of us. It went with the territory. When I saw Trump do that, I did not give it any thought.

Regardless of what Trump did, the official forecast that went out on the teletypes was as the weather forecaster presented.

 

As I mentioned before, those intelligence briefings cover a multitude of subjects. They have experts which are supposed to determine which ones they should react to.

But back up to the post number #64.

In that one Trump was criticized for doing exactly what he is being criticized for not doing this time. He went contrary to the experts.

 

I am not sure I understand what you've typed here in response to my question,

It's a simple question of which I am all but certain that the answer is no. So let's debate the broader premise of the OP - that Trump literally denies responsibility for any failure and publicly lauds himself with praise over accomplishments not of his doing. Is this the behavior expected of leaders in the US military? Certainly at least the Navy still holds the Captain of a ship accountable for *everything* on that ship. Not always, but often enough. Not so sure that the other services are run as tight, in fact, pretty sure they are not.

So, I'll try once more to have you answer this:

 

Trump went contrary to the experts when he used his sharpie. He is not being criticized for not going contrary to his experts in the virus. With their silence, they are saying it was not going to be a problem.

I will give you a more complicated answer. The KC-135 tankers on alert were usually overloaded according to normal standards. In order to take off, they used distilled water to increase the thrust on their engines. If the temperatures got too low, that distilled water had to be taken of the tankers and thrown away to keep it from freezing on the aircraft. It was expensive and a bad forecast could cost money. However, the commander might disagree with my forecast, but he still reacted to it. He would not dare not offload, if I told him the temperature was going to get too low.

Whatever, Trump did with that sharpie, the official forecast was still what the forecast put out and the forecast which government agencies would react to.

 

You didn't provide a more complicated answer. You admitted that he did not take his sharpie and markup your forecast of 27°F with 37°F. A shame you didn't apply some of your mechanical engineering education to fit the distilled water tanks with an off the shelf immersion heater.

 

Point being. His markup of the forecast with the sharpie did not make one iota of difference. It is only the media and liberals who tried to make something out of it.

The KC-135 had heaters, but there was a point where they could no longer keep the water above freezing.

They don't just take "off the shelf" anything and put it on an aircraft. Aluminum is a great conductor of heat. However, regardless,, that was a Boeing problem and I never worked for Boeing.

 

My grandfather served 30 years in the Navy. He was once the chief maintenance officer on the USS Enterprise and he had zero tolerance for anything on that ship being non operational. I remember the story he told me about being in port over in Japan I think it was and how his staff complained that they couldn't fix some aircraft because they lacked stock of the required components. He found out they need some resistors. He disembarked the carrier and came back aboard with a "bagful of them."

He never worked for Boeing or McDonnel-Douglas either. It was absolutely an Air Force problem if you couldn't takeoff the KC-135 because you had to unload your water spray - which meant you also had to offload the corresponding weight of fuel to allow a takeoff with 10k lbs thrust rather than 13k.

I am not the media and I am plenty liberal on some things and plenty conservative on others. You can't even answer a simple question in a direct manner. Spin Spin Spin.

 

The fascist Trump should have declared martial law and stripped all the governors of executive power, locked everyone in their homes, executed ANYONE who dare venture out on the streets!

 

Since you have this claim to be an expert on takeoff weights and thrust, suggest you make your suggestions to Boeing and the Air Force. Undoubtedly you would be rewarded very handsomely. To bad this had to go on for 60 years before someone was smart enough to come up with such a simple solution.

The point is that no one gives a crap except the media and liberals trying to make everyone give a crap.

 

I'm beginning to doubt you have the experience you claim you have. What year were the KC-135s retrofitted with the 22.5k lb thrust CFM56 engines, thus negating the need for water injection?

No one gives a crap that the President of the United States displays a NOAA Hurricane path featuring a little mushroom dickhead on it carrying it over to make folks in Alabama think maybe they need to begin evacuations? Sure, no one gives a crap. Meet me and your other loyal opposition here in this little space alone that do give a crap that the Donald is unfit to hold the office.

 

Ha! He definitely would have gone down in history as decisive. Of course he also would have ended up suspended by a hook in the public square.