So Homes used an assualt rifle? Really?

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Minor correction to the OP:

    An assault rifle in Military parlance is a weapon with a selector switch that allows it to fire either semi auto or full auto these days the current variant of the M-16 also allows a three round bursts.

    Other corrections: The current SAW fires the same ammo as an M-16 and the AR15 It wouldn't take much effort to convert a SAW magazine to work with either one because of the similar ammo. That is the primary reason the SAW replaced the M-60 at the squad level.

    Other more serious issues:

    Ninety per cent of the ammunition expended in the US is expended knocking holes in paper targets, or raking pie plates, clay pigeons. There are far more competiton shooters than there are hunters in fact the shooting sports are an Olympic event. To then state that the only purpose of a gun is to kill someone or something is as silly a way to anounce ones ignorance as any.

    The most egregious bit of nonsense was the statement that anything you can't hunt with should be illegal as if somehow that would limit things. This is another demostrations of one's ignorance. I've seen people hunting rabbits with everything from a sawed off shotgun to a .22 pistol and most everything in between. By the way anyone under the impression that a bullet that can kill a moose or a Grizzly Bear won't kill as readily a human being is just truly ignorant. Further I would no more use a AR-15 to hunt bear than I'd try to jump to the moon from top of the Empire State Building. An Ar-15 is not much more than a souped up .22.
     
  2. Panzerkampfwagen

    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Also needs to fire an intermediate cartridge. The FN FAL has a selector switch but since it doesn't fire an intermediate cartridge it's a selective fire battle rifle instead.
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    A challenge, then...... find one over-the-counter carbine/rifle that can be fitted up with a 100 rd magazine (not 2 bananas taped together)
     
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    You may be technically correct, but is ridiculous to not put AR-15's in the same category, especially when you picture one with a large (30 round?) magazine. Realistically, any magazine larger than 10 rounds should be outlawed as it makes these kinds of mass shootings far too easy.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    You may as well call pistols with more than 10 rounds Assault Rifles then.
     
  6. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Not sure the relevance of this exercise, but done.

    http://www.gunsamerica.com/Classifieds/View/_986301023.aspx
    http://calicolightweaponsystems.com/store/
    http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=42026/Product/AR-15-M16-60-100-ROUND-MAGAZINES

    BTW, didn't the recent mass shooter in Colorado buy a 100 round magazine and fit it to his Ar-15?
     
  7. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Took me about 15 minutes carl and thats mostly because I'm old and slow. Check out DS arms.
     
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    OK fine, what's the problem?

    I don't get why people can't see the immaturity of gun fatuations when if people are obsessed with fire or explosives we consider them mentally troubled.
     
  10. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    DS arms might... They've got one for a .308. Though cranking that one off from your sporterize FNFAL could do a hell of a lot of damage to your shoulder even in four round bursts;)
     
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    Jarlaxle Banned

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    Hmm...well, considering that my uncle's HUNTING rifle is, far and away, more powerful than 99.9% of guns in civilian hands...sure! No problem. It's a huge double-barreled rifle that fires a .577 Nitro round. It will go through even a rifle-rated Kevlar vest like cardboard, even with soft-nosed lead rounds.
     
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    .458 might work for that, or a .500 Buhmiller. Perhaps a nice .577Nitro?
     
  13. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    I don't get why leftist who are scared to death of guns think people who aren't are immature...
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    They probably fear them because they don't know a lot about them and aren't around them all that much. People tend to fear what they don't understand.
    Sometimes that fear can be what the rest of us would consider irrational. Though in the case of guns,
    I would say that the fear that scared leftists hold is not completely unwarranted.
    And when things happen that validate their fears, it only serves to
    reinforce their fears that much more, and I wager they simply
    come to a point at which they wonder why in the light of
    such evidence, the rest of us do not fear guns just as
    much they do, why we do not appear to recognize
    what they view as an obvious threat, and why
    we go so far as to embrace it instead
    which is probably when they start to
    label people as immature.
     
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    So your hobbies are great, and other people's are immature or signs of mental illness.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    There are plenty of people who are obsessed with fire and explosions who for the most part we do not consider mentally unstable.
    Especially explosions. Lots of people seem to be addicted to explosions, haven't you guys ever watched Myth-busters, Destroy Build Destroy, or that show Brainiac?
    Obsessions only become unhealthy when safety and the well-being of others isn't taken into consideration.
    There are people who are obsessed with fire and explosives, and that's fine as long as safety is considered.
    There are laws which limit where when how and by who certain flammable and explosive materials can be used.
     
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    Wow. He killed and wounded all those people with his bare hands?
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    hmmmmm, trawled through all of the news and articles posted here, as well as on-line.... Nope. I can honestly say he did NOT use his bare hands. He used common everyday firearms, not some high-powered sniper rifle or fully automatic firearm.
    So, what is your point?
    Being a wiseazz doesnt contribute to this issue at all......
    This is the first time I've used the Dislike button, uh, I think...lol
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Re-read the op or move on.

    Next
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Vest penetration isn't even neccisary. Lol. That ought to shatter some ribs by impact alone. Lol
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Plus there's the sissyboy explanation.Mayor Bloomberg as both an effete and a jew
    probably never owned as much as a BB gun as a kid.Therefore he's totally clueless
    about firearms and their use.Plus little pansy like Bloomberg,physically like
    Barbara Boxer have Armed bodyguards at their disposal 24/7.
    I say take away Bloombergs bodyguards for a full week and see how tough his
    rhetoric is.
     
  22. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Meta I'll go you one better:

    Phobia: a morbid unreasoned fear of something. It is widely recognized as a mental illness. Describes about 80% of the anti firearms crowd out there.
     
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    Then all weapons are assault weapons? Is that your point?
     
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    Please try to think outside of the apparently very strict definition of assault rifle.

    I'm not even talking about the weapon. I'm talking about magazines that hold 100 rounds.
     
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    ....it is either an assault rifle or not. The magazine does not make the firearm. If you are familiar with firearms, and have fired a semi-automatic rifle or carbine, you know it doesn't take very long to change out empties for full. That kid could have very well had banana-clipped 2 50's together w/duct tape and still had 100 rounds. What difference, at that point, would have made?
    Even if there were no 100 rd clips, he still would have adapted for the event.
    Ergo, the magazine does not make the event and is irrelevent.
     

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