Socialist bashers that use public schools and infrastructure - hypocrisy, so why?

Many socialist bashers here, yet bet they all use the socialist, public education system plus infrastructure - that's hypocrisy in my book - so why do it?

Can't have it both ways.

 

Proof? Do you have any credible sources to back that ridiculous claim up?

 

We pay for it, we can say whatever we want. You want people too pay for programs, but you don't want them too voice their opinions
Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

 

You steal money with a barrel of the gun then complain the victims aren't rich enough to pay their own way? You are skewed.

 

hardly ridiculous and hardly even a 'claim'! - just look through many of the threads here - plenty of right wingers admit to using the roads, schools etc...(otherwise why would they even complain about public schools), and surely most benefit from the legal services and armed forces etc..


yep, those right wingers just want it both ways

 

I"m all for free speech, so not sure where you are getting this one from.

If it were up to me, it would be 100% free speech.

but anyway, why not just opt out, teach your kids at home, and take a bike through the woods when travelling to work or something similar..

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How about just dealing with the OP?

 

If it wasn't for guys like me, you'd be teaching your kids at home, and riding your bike thru the woods to get too work.

 

First, give us your definition of socialism. Mine would be a social system in which anything and everything that is required by the masses in order to function as an orderly society is provided by, maintained by and regulated by the state. In order to accomplish this, the state is funded by it's citizens equally, who in turn share equally the benefits that the state provides. Key word here is 'equally'. Many of us 'socialism bashers' that pay our fair share into the "public education system plus infrastructure" and are indeed the financial supporters of your 'socialist society' simply would like to see more of you avid 'socialists' do the same. Those who benefit most from a socialist society contribute the least to maintain it.

 

Why would those of us paying for the services be hypocritical for using them?

 

If you are born with 40 billion dollars so you pay more in taxes, does that make you better than everyone else? Why should you not get an equal share as someone who works for his money but simply was not born with 40 billion dollars like the Koch brothers?

Im not saying all rich people are born with their money, but even the ones who are still get defended by the right wing like crazy. You say "Those who benefit most from a socialist society contribute the least to maintain it." but the fact is the ones actually doing the work, the working class, are the ones contributing to the socialist society not the fat cats at the top controlling all of the money trying to make as much profit as possible off the labor of others.

 

Its hypocritical to use something than complain about it, at least certain things infrastructure for example though people dont really have a choice NOT to use it so they can complain about how that works all they want and not be hypocrites, but public schooling they dont have to go to yet many still do. Even subsidies would be a form of socialism, many conservatives are in favor of subsidies to oil companies it is the libertarians who are opposed to them all together.

 

What nonsense. If you drive on a nighway you cannot complain about the socialists. If you let the fire department put out a fire you cannot complain about an educational system that keeps poor people poor and hopeless. If you have water in your tap you can't comment on the disaster of destroying a great healthcare system for political gain. If you have electricity then you can't comment on the current administration supporting America's enemies and abandoning our friends.

What nonsense and the real irony is that it comes from a hypocrite.

 

You are not making any sense. Probably because you are working off your left wing hate talking points.

 

Lame post. Having certain government services, and socialism as a government policy, are two different things. Schools, since you mentioned them, are administered by local entities, not some Soviet style central Politburo.

The Constitution only allows for the Federal Government to do certain things. The rest are up to localities. That is a far cry from a central oppressive socialist government.

This dumb thread is yet another example of the mental wasteland of the Left.

 

Nonsense. The nitwits want people to think that if you use highways, public schools, fire departments, or city water you have no right to complain about the government.

They're desperate to stop people from commenting on the obvious problems in the liberal system. The wheels fell off years ago and now the roadway is coming through the bottom of the wagon and the left is desperate to shut people up.

 

I did.

 

Well, the problem is Socialists are doing what they can to claim credit for many programs in America. I've heard them claim that many programs, such as Social Security, is a socialist program, but when I challenge them on it they never give me any other kind of hard evidence, such as who was the originator of these programs and was he really a socialist that intended these things as a socialist programs?

To the best of my knowledge, socialism does not believe in these kinds of programs, so I think they are being very dishonest.

I could be wrong, but i am very doubtful that i am.

 

and I bet socialists use the private sector as well

 

We had public education in this country long before anyone ever heard of Our first public highway was built before anyone ever herd of Karl Marx. Rome built roads wherever they went. Don't be any more of an ass than you have to be okay?

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The roads used to be fairly good then the socialists took over...

 

I use dollars, too, and I'm opposed to FIAT money. The thing about coercive monopolies is that you don't really have a choice in the matter. Same thing goes for infrastructure and schools that are financed by taxation.

 

The only thing he wants to hear is socialism goo, capitalism bad, He is incapable of any kind of objectivity and will just dismiss the atrocities that socialism and communism has wrought unto this world.

 

I showed you how it was a Socialist program, you have such an insanely narrow view of socialism you cannot see it. Social Security even has "Social(ism)" in its damn name, its pretty obviously socialist. Look, do you at least admit social security goes against the free market? Its not companies deciding on their own to give people social security, it is government mandated, making it extremely socialistic. If it was just companies deciding on their own whether or not they will have social security for their workers than that would indeed be Capitalist, because other companies would not be forced to play along, but under state control they all have to play along. The sooner you can admit that its certainly at the very least not a free market idea, social security, the sooner you will be able to realize it is indeed extremely socialistic, hence the name "Social" security.

The reason the people in charge of getting these sort of laws through did not call themselves Socialists is for the simple reason that there was Red Scare propaganda flying around the word at the time, America even sent troops to fight against the Communist revolution in Russia but they realized quickly it was a losing battle so they withdrew pretty fast, which is why most people have never heard of that piece of our history. Communism and Socialism were seen as evil words, and America thought of themselves as "exceptional" so they did not want to embrace socialism the way they Europeans were doing, Americans think they are better than Europeans we all know this . The liberals in this country are indeed Socialists, they just cant call themselves that because of the immense Red Scare propaganda floating around.

I think you are a pretty smart guy who was just raised on a different side of the political spectrum, but if you think objectively you will realize many of these programs even you like were spearheaded by Socialists and are indeed socialist programs beyond absolutely any doubt.

 

The exact same could be said about you. Do you want to hear Socialism is good? No, you want to hear Capitalism is good? Yes.

Do you dismiss the atrocities committed by Capitalists? Of course you do, the Confederacy was Capitalist and look at what they did, but you wouldnt blame Capitalism for that would you now? Its called a double standard.

 

I donno OP. Personally, I think that it is just the outdated view that the baby boomer generation has/was taught. Thankfully, they are on their way out. Ultimately, they are screwed in the end anyways. Either America becomes more socialistic, or we keep going the route that we are going and inequality reaches a breaking point where the people start to revolt. I am very tempted to vote republican because I believe that the only thing that is going change the direction we are going is a revolution. May as well speed it up.

 

Nonsense, it's not at all hypocritical to complain about services which fail to meet expectations, whether they be ill maintained roads or poorly run schools. They're all services we pay for, whether they're used or not.