Some Atheists Say Heaven {Eternity} Would Be Boring. Wrong. Interesting & Exciting

Amusing, I esp. liked the bit where there is no such a thing as an atheist (there is a loud poof and I disappear in a cloud of smoke).

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

It's just language, and sure, I am having some fun with it. I went to a school that had you go to church 6 days a week. That, for me, was a mistake because it gave me too much time to think about what was supposedly going on. So, at the age of 15, I actually paid attention one particularly pleasant day and came to the obvious conclusion.

I much prefer to use that Rorty quote. It uses that 50,000 foot perspective philosophers like (which is needed in these conversations) and the awareness of the role of language, which offers a criticism of traditional thinking. That includes most religious thinking.

 

Nothing has changed.
"Only the dead have seen an end to war."__Plato
I make my points.
You make your points.
"It's a War of all against all."__T. Hobbs.
Christians make their Ideological War points.
Atheists make their Ideological War points.
Conservatives make their Ideological War points.
Liberals make their Ideological War points.
"Politics is war by another name." ___Karl von Clausewitz

Republicans make their Ideological War points.
Democrats make their Ideological War points.
The truly committed do not budge even 0.00001
"The fixed determination to acquire the Warrior Soul and once
having acquired it, to conquer or perish with honor is the secret
to victory."___George Patton

The Principle Of War rages year round -- but intensifies as the
national elections approach.
From now to November will be intense Political and Ideological War
both in Thread World and in Real World.
You understand the concept of Enemy - - - eg. Robert E. Lee vs. U.S.Grant
Enemies not friends.
You understand the concept of Political War to the end.
You understand the concept of Ideological War to the end.

By the way, the war over the definitions of words is itself a part
of this Ideological War raging between the weak left and the
Mighty Right.
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The Alice quote changed nothing.
People can and do give words the connotations they want to give them,
The definitions of words do change constantly.
This is why dictionary publishing companies up-date their dictionaries regularly.

If we can get enough people using the phrase "the religion of
atheism" then the dictionaries will start listing that idea as 1
definition. I will do my small part to help this along.

In my world there is no such thing as an atheist {Romans 1}
This does not mean they disappear in a cloud of smoke.
Disappear in a cloud of smoke is spin.
In my world atheism will always be a religion.

The fact that atheism is a religion has already got a foothold on the Internet.
The following is not going away, but will grow and expand on the Worldwide Web.

Wikipedia has a page titled Christian Atheism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

Here is a BBC News article titled , , ,
"What Happens At An Atheist Church."
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21319945

Here is another news article from The Economist titled , ,
"The Elusive Phenomenon Of Churches Without God."
https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2018/05/16/the-elusive-phenomenon-of-churches-without-god

Those 3 up there are mainstream reputable sources.

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Here is an article that argues that atheism is a religion.

"Atheism is a religious worldview because it claims to know
something fundamental about reality that hasn’t been—or
can’t be—proven. Like theists, atheists operate out of a
foundational faith or belief that shapes their perceiving,
thinking, and living in the world."
https://www.thebanner.org/columns/2019/01/is-atheism-a-religion


Atheism is a religion , , , ,
I will hold that position until the end of my days and will
continue to think, write, and post that atheism is a religion.

My view is that in order to have a religion all you need
is to have a god -- a Supreme Being.
Atheism has both.
Alice is an atheist.
Alice has a god.
Alice's god is named Alice.
Alice is her own Supreme Being.
Why? , , , Because , , ,
There is nothing higher in Alice's world than Alice.
So Atheism, for all practical purposes, is a religion.

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You will not find any of this below to be "amusing."

And the answer to that question is God Almighty will be Master.
You and I both and ALL men WILL bow our proud heads. to God Almighty.
You and I both and ALL men WILL bow our knees to God Almighty.
You and I both and ALL men WILL be defeated by Death.
You and I both and ALL men WILL stand before God Almighty at The Judgment , , , ,

"For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. It is written:
“ ‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’ ”
So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
Romans 14:10-12

, , , , and the puny gods of Empiricism, Rationalism, Intellectualism,
Pseudo-intellectualism, Secularism, Secular Humanism, and
Pseudo-Science --- are small dinky false gods that have no power to
help any humans as they face Disease and Death followed by
The Judgment.

JAG

 

Thanks for the laugh.

War, huh? Didn't see that one coming. I hear an echo of the Inquisition in that one.

 

Jag quotes.

If we can get enough people using the phrase "the religion of
atheism" then the dictionaries will start listing that idea as 1
definition. I will do my small part to help this along.

How will that change the original definition?

Many words are changed, but the original meaning remains. You only refuse the original Etymology of the word.

My view is that in order to have a religion all you need
is to have a god -- a Supreme Being.
Atheism has both.
Alice is an atheist.
Alice has a god.
Alice's god is named Alice.? History proves you wrong
Alice is her own Supreme Being.
Why? , , , Because , , ,
There is nothing higher in Alice's world than Alice.
So Atheism, for all practical purposes, is a religion.

You're boring. How do you know that ALICE THINKS HERSELF ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE? History proves you wrong. Many atheists gave their lives during WWI and WWII and other wars because they put others first. .

And the answer to that question is God Almighty will be Master.
You and I both and ALL men WILL bow our proud heads. to God Almighty.
You and I both and ALL men WILL bow our knees to God Almighty.
You and I both and ALL men WILL be defeated by Death.
You and I both and ALL men WILL stand before God Almighty at The Judgment , , , ,

"For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. It is written:
“ ‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’ ”
So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
Romans 14:10-12

, , , , and the puny gods of Empiricism, Rationalism, Intellectualism,
Pseudo-intellectualism, Secularism, Secular Humanism, and
Pseudo-Science --- are small dinky false gods that have no power to
help any humans as they face Disease and Death followed by
The Judgment.

More unproven facts - from you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

"Thanks for the laugh"___OL
That's a tactic of war.
Sure its mild. Very mild.
But it has a destructive purpose.
It seeks to mildly ridicule that which you read
and which you know is against you and against
what you believe.
You seek to reduce it to laughter.
~ just saying
~ not complaining at all.
~ I expected much worse.

Same thing.
Another war tactic. Spin.
Morally justified war is heroic and noble.
My post was about what I consider to be
morally justified noble and heroic War.
You emotionally do not like the points I
made in that post to which you are
responding.
So you searched for a way to spin it into
something that is bad. You came up with
the "Inquisition" which conjures up torture
and religious fanaticism and all kinds of
bad stuff so you can characterize what
I hold to be a good thing --- into a bad
thing -- the Inquisition , , ,

, , , like I said , , ,

"Only the dead have seen an end to War."__Plato

"Its a War of all against all.""__T. Hobbs

____________

Regarding your "Inquisition" thingy, here is a quote I
would apply to what you said:
"Each man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards
the rest."___Bob Dylan

You, of course, if you like that quote, can grab it, and
use it against your Thread Enemies -- and if you like
the quote enough -- you will do that. But they will
simply disregard your quote and proceed to re-make
their points against you -- such is the nature of War.

JAG


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ibid.

Where you see war, I see word play.

But, whatevs...

 

Where you see word play, I see War.
Thanks for reading my posts.

You seem to be polite and civil -- I appreciate that.

I note that , , ,,
The America Civil War was said to be the last war
fought by gentlemen --- they were polite to each
other as they were killing each other.

See you around.
Maybe we can chat again sometime.
Best Regards.
JAG

 

In another thread on this forum you got all upset when you thought somebody had called you dishonest. Yet here you are calling all atheists dishonest. They believe in God despite themselves saying they do not. Which God?

And please tell us, if you don’t accept what we say about our own thoughts as genuine, why are you so keen on starting threads here addressing us?

You know, when I was younger I thought the opposite of what you now think; that nobody actually believed the bible was literal truth. I thought people went along with it simply to not make waves and to better fit into society; like the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

it was only when I got older that I encountered obvious true believers like yourself.

This is more of your flawed mind reading. Atheists don’t hold themselves out to be all powerful, all knowing, etc. And they often hold other people or ideals superior to themselves and their own self interests.

And if “God” is to mean nothing more than what a person holds as important above all else, then by that definition everyone has a God.

 

I strongly encourage you to read the book “Guns, Germs, and Stee”. It is the best theory I have read on why Europeans were so much more technologically advanced when they met the tribes of North America.

I am inclined to give you a pass because I don’t think you know what evolution actually means. Otherwise your statement here would be incredibly and remarkably racist.

 

So we are made in God's image? Does God have human size [male equipment]? Does he have sex? Who does he have sex with? What about sex for the people in heaven? Are they limited to missionary style?

I


Since you know all about heaven I have to ask.

 

Mother Nature?

 

My fave Mark Twain is a satire, angels have sex that lasts for years. It's called Letters from Earth.

There was this transition of a growing secularism in the 1800s. Nietzsche was blatant about it, but he was part of a profound change that most didn't talk about much because of the reaction they knew they would get.

 

Near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie back in 1943 was shown something that sounds even better than a Utopian New York City .... but I do like your comparison and think it was a good way to attempt to get this idea across to readers.

https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/george-ritchie.html#a05e

Note... if you enjoy scary movies you may wish to read parts B,C and D... they are rather interesting I must say.