Some Atheists Say Heaven {Eternity} Would Be Boring. Wrong. Interesting & Exciting

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  1. Paul7

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    So your objection is the Gospel is too good to be true?
     
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    So IF there was a kind loving god then humans would have had all that from the beginning....no reason not to.
     
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    Or like the fantasy that says there is :)

    The most absurd though is folks who pretend to know the characteristics of God. This is true fantasy on steroids.
     
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    What gospel ? In any case - the Bible contains contradictions such that there are certain things that can't be true.
     
  5. JAG*

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    Billions have access to all this below right now without waiting , , ,

    , , , and many huge lush green "central parks" for families to

    enjoy in total peace and safety , , ,

    {and} , , ,

    Oceans
    Warm sandy beaches
    Rivers
    Lakes
    Ponds
    Mountains
    Valleys
    Beautiful trees
    Beautiful scenery"___JAG


    Later on , , ,
    My view is that the Bible teaches God has a Plan to provide
    amazing and totally good realities for all those that love Him
    and seek to obey Him. See the bolded blue below:

    "We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature,
    but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are
    coming to nothing. No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has
    been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
    None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they
    would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
    However, as it is written:
    “What no eye has seen,
    what no ear has heard,
    and what no human mind has conceived”—
    the things God has prepared for those who love him—

    these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit."
    1 Corinthians 2:6-89

    ____________

    By the way, as an aside, notice that the people of that time,
    just like you today, did not understand that they were rejecting
    the Lord of Glory

    "None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they
    would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

    Best.

    JAG

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  6. JAG*

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    The gospel and its offer of Eternal Life is way to bright, cheerful,
    and optimistic to suit atheists. They much prefer the gloom, doom,
    and defeatism of the grave where their body becomes plant food
    and they pass into ceasing-to-exist nothingness --- like Bugs do.

    In fact , ,
    Atheism is a Bug Religion.
    On atheistic religion there is nothing to look forward to
    after General Time and General Death squashes you like
    a Road Kill or like one would squash a Bug in their kitchen
    with a fly swatter.

    Speaking of fly swatters, I note that on atheism humans
    have the same ultimate destiny as does a housefly which
    is ceasing-to-exist oblivion.

    So then we have the , , ,
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ Bug
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Atheists
    ~ Humanity
    , , , all share, on atheism, the identical same ultimate destiny which is
    ceasing-to-exist Oblivion.

    Allow me to encourage people to get a better religion than atheism.

    It is not encouraging to the human spirit to believe that humans
    have the identical same ultimate destiny as does a Bug, which
    is ceasing-to-exist oblivion.

    Best.

    JAG

    My sheep hear my voice. I give unto them Eternal Life
    and they shall never perish.
    __The Lord Jesus {John 10:27-28}
     
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  7. FoxHastings

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    No, they don't



    FoxHastings said:
    So IF there was a kind loving god then humans would have
    had all that from the beginning....no reason not to.
     
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    You talking about cave men?
    Early humans?
    Pre-historic dudes?
    I don't know that even the pre-historic dudes did not have access
    to , , , {and neither do you know they didn't}
    Oceans
    Warm sandy beaches
    Rivers
    Lakes
    Ponds
    Mountains
    Valleys
    Beautiful trees
    Beautiful scenery


    In fact its a good bet that they DID have access to those things.

    ________________

    I guess you want to grumble and complain that God did
    not make a perfect world from the very beginning so
    therefore He fails to meet your personal expectations.

    You know, The-God-That-Does-Not-Exist , , He didn't
    "measure up" to FoxHasting's ideals so FH is going to
    be critical of The-God-That-Does-Not-Exist and say that
    He is unkind and unloving --- even though this God
    gave His one and only Son to save the world.
    "for God so loved the world" {John 3:16}
    and human history ends like this , , ,
    "there shall be no more pain and no more crying and no
    more death for the old order of things has passed away"
    Revelation 21:3-4
    That's not good enough for you.

    Best.

    JAG

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    I sure hope not...
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, they don't
    FoxHastings said:
    So IF there was a kind loving god then humans would have
    had all that from the beginning....no reason not to.



    So you are NOT familiar with "In the beginning"?

    Isn't that Eden to the believers? Didn'y know that?
    You think there were cave men when Christian belief says Adam and Eve were created in god's image??
    ________________


    Well, believers claim their god is perfect....he sure could've done better !!


    No, what FoxHastings REALLY/HONESTLY said was:

    FoxHastings said:
    So IF there was a kind loving god then humans would have
    had all that from the beginning....no reason not to.
     
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    As an agnostic, sure hope that's true!
     
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    That's a cheerful positive note.
    Thank you.
    JAG
     
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    You don't know that.
    You can NOT know that.
    It'd be impossible for you to actually KNOW that.
    That is beyond what any human can know.
    You would have to be Omniscient {all knowing} to actually KNOW
    that God can not be kind and loving and at the same time NOT
    create a world where humans had "all that" from the "beginning"
    and that there was "no reason not to" create an imperfect world.

    ______


    "You think there were cave men when Christian belief says
    Adam and Eve were created in god's image??"__FoxHastings

    I asked if YOU were talking about cave men.

    Didn't you see those question marks?

    JAG Wrote:
    You talking about cave men?
    Early humans?
    Pre-historic dudes?



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    All this applies to you and your posts :
    You:

    You don't know that.
    You can NOT know that.
    It'd be impossible for you to actually KNOW that.
    That is beyond what any human can know.
    You would have to be Omniscient {all knowing} to actually KNOW
     
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    Yes it does apply.
    It applies in THIS way , , I am not the one claiming that my beliefs are
    based on Empiricism like you are.
    Christianity is a Faith.
    I gladly admit that my beliefs are based upon Faith.
    So are your beliefs -- they're based upon Faith too.
    But I doubt that you will admit that.
    If you will admit that -- then we have no disagreement on what you said.
    "So IF there was a kind loving god then humans would have
    had all that from the beginning....no reason not to."___FoxHastings


    So?
    So will you classify your statement up there as a Faith Belief?
    If yes, then we have no reason for argumentation.
    If No, then you'd have to be Omniscient to know what you claim
    to be true.
    If No, then you have to demonstrate with Empiricism that you
    know for a fact that God could not have had reasons unknown
    to you,
    that would logically explain why He created the world
    as it is -- and we are right back to this below again:

    "So IF there was a kind loving god then humans would have
    had all that from the beginning....no reason not to."___FoxHastings

    You don't know that.
    You can NOT know that.
    It'd be impossible for you to actually KNOW that.
    That is beyond what any human can know.
    You would have to be Omniscient {all knowing} to actually KNOW
    that God can not be kind and loving and at the same time NOT
    create a world where humans had "all that" from the "beginning"
    and that there was "no reason not to" create an imperfect world.
    _____

    So is your claim a faith Belief?
    Or are you Omniscient?


    JAg

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    OK, IMHO it's cute you think Nobody X Nothing = Everything
     
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    Fortunately, I don't think that.
    It's cute that you don't mind always being wrong.
     
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    We disagree.
     
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    So the majority of humanity now and throughout history, including some of the greatest minds that ever existed, are crazy and you're sane? Maybe it's the other way around.
     
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    We're on a religion forum, what are your beliefs?
     
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    You can disagree with reality all you like - that however does not change reality.

    When did the women visit the tomb A) before sunrise B) after sunrise.
     
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    Your claim that the greatest minds that ever existed - do not realize they the do not defacto know the characteristics of God - is preposterous nonsense on steroids.
     
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    Do you want to know what hell is like? Well it's continuing to live in this world, even though this world has ceased to exist for you. Just imagine wanting to talk to someone about anything, but there's no one to talk to and nothing to talk about.

    This world has to do with our relationships to one another. These relationships are the extension of God's love to us and to the world we live in. When that ceases, where will you be? In hell of course.



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    What ?! LOL....
     
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    What choice would atheists regret?
     

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