Some Atheists Say Heaven {Eternity} Would Be Boring. Wrong. Interesting & Exciting

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  1. JAG*

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    JAG Writes:

    If you want to know what Eternity will be like, just picture
    in your mind The Big Apple {New York City} without any
    Sin and without any of the effects of Sin. This means that
    you are picturing New York City with no crime, no smog,
    no traffic congestion, no sickness, no death, no pain, no
    jails, no prisons, and nothing else that would be unpleasant
    to humans or unwanted by humans , , ,

    , , , nothing but interest-grabbing excitement and creativity
    all the time , , ,

    , , , and many huge lush green "central parks" for families to
    enjoy in total peace and safety.

    _________


    Here is the takeaway point in this post
    All this down below is what atheists are saying No to.

    They will regret the wrong choice for all Eternity.

    Atheists do not understand the future excitement and joys of
    God's Eternity {Heaven}

    Give this below a careful read:

    Many atheists say that Eternal Life would be very boring , , ,

    That's not true. Eternal Life has magnificent purpose which creates endless
    excitement, building, inventions, accomplishments, creativity, planning,
    growing, expanding, and never-ending learning ~~ plus you get to live
    free from sin, pain, misery, and death. , , ,John 3:16's Eternal Life.
    Its good.
    Its all good.
    And good all the time.
    Why would you say no to all of this?

    The purpose of Eternal Life is, partly, found in the fact that God made humans in His
    image and this means humans have many creative abilities that will enable them to
    be creative and to do interesting things for all Eternity. Life in Heaven {Eternity} will
    be very much like life here on Earth. Just look at all the useful, magnificent, creative
    activities that are enjoyed here on Earth. All this creative activity gives you a clear
    picture of what Heaven will be like.

    Genesis 1:27 says "God created man in His own image, in the image of God he
    created them."

    If you want to know what God is like just think of yourself. You were made in God's
    image. Just look in any mirror. You will see a creature that has many of God's
    characteristics. These characteristics listed below will enable you to be creative
    for all Eternity. They will enable you to forever be a "high accomplisher" and
    achieve greatness throughout all of Eternity.

    {1} God has an Intellect --- man has an Intellect. You will be brilliant in Eternity.

    {2} God has a Free Will (volition) --- man has a Free Will. You will always chose correctly
    in Heaven.
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    {3} God has Emotions --- man has Emotions. This will enable you to be an amazing
    creative artist for ever and ever ~~ world without end. Look forward to it.
    `
    These are the 3 major areas that demonstrate the image of God in human beings.
    They will "take you to the stars" literally.

    __________


    You will therefore, for all Eternity, have the ability to use your Intellect
    and your Emotions and your Volition {your ability to make choices} to
    be creative in a HUGE , , ENORMIUS , , Universe that will be filled with
    millions of very interesting materials that can be used to create useful
    products just like we create now here on Earth. Everything in this list
    below will be used by humans in Heaven to make Eternity {Heaven}
    a very interesting and creative place.
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    Further breakdown of the 3 major areas.
    `
    {4} God is Creative --- man is Creative. Heaven will be a very creative place.
    `
    {5} God can Love --- man can Love. Heaven will have zero hate within it.
    `
    {6} God can Cry ("Jesus wept") --- man can Cry. Tears for others is a good thing.

    {7} God can experience Joy --- man can experience Joy. Everybody wants it.
    `
    {8} God can have Patience --- man can have Patience. To get things accomplished.

    {9} God can express Kindness --- man can express Kindness. Makes life worth living.

    .{10} God can express Gentleness --- man can express Gentleness. A good quality.

    {11} God creates Magnificent Art Works (in nature) --- man creates
    Magnificent Art Works (eg. cathedrals) Heaven will be creative-off-the -charts.

    {12} God Writes Books (the Bible) --- man Writes Books. Heaven will have billions of 'em.

    {13} God feels Empathy --- man feels Empathy. An Eternal good.

    {14} God feels Sympathy --- man feels Sympathy. More Eternal good.

    {15} God makes Long-Term Plans --- man makes Long-Term Plans. We'll have
    unlimited planning in Heaven. An Eternity of it.

    (16 )God can Speak --- man can Speak. Heaven saturated with interesting
    conversations.

    Yes, God made man in His own image. Heaven is gonna be "one really
    cool place to hang out". Don't say no to the invitation. John 3:16
    Revelation 3:20

    {1} through {16 up there will be used to make Heaven and Eternity
    an amazing place of continuing positive excitement and astounding
    creativity.

    ______________

    Back to the Big Apple , , ,
    If you want to know what Eternity will be like, just picture
    in your mind The Big Apple {New York City} without any
    Sin and without any of the effects of Sin. This means that
    you are picturing New York City with no crime, no smog,
    no congestion, no sickness, no death, no pain, no jails,
    no prisons, and nothing else that would be unpleasant
    to humans or unwanted by humans.

    Picture a New York City with no traffic congestion and
    with a surplus of beautiful magnificent lush green
    city parks where families can gather for family outings
    in total safety. Then picture all the positive constructive
    upward mobile business, social, industrial, economic,
    artistic and creative activities accomplished within
    The Big Apple every day.

    ____________

    Why on Earth would anyone think that God would design His
    Eternity {Heaven} unlike He designed life here on Earth.
    If you want to know what Heaven will be like, merely look
    at what life here on Earth is like --- just substract out ALL
    the Sin and ALL of Sin's bad effects --- and you will have
    a clear picture of what Heaven will be like: Eternity will be
    all good. Very good.

    Museums
    Parks
    Grand musical presentations
    Plays
    Movies
    Schools
    Cities
    Creative art classes
    Universities
    Oceans
    Warm sandy beaches
    Rivers
    Lakes
    Ponds
    Mountains
    Valleys
    Beautiful trees
    Beautiful scenery
    Factories {totally clean and totally safe}
    Roads and highways
    Automobiles {some form of}
    Beautiful homes
    Family-type relationships
    Friends
    Favorite things
    Communication devices
    Travel
    Exploration of space {just think Hubble Deep Field}

    All that up there is what atheists are saying No to.
    But maybe many will reconsider and come to desire Eternal Life.

    JAG
     
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    It's so cute that you believe all that.
     
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    That still sounds pretty boring to me.

    Maybe Heaven will have a Valhalla style amusement park for us folks who don't find peace to be all that peaceful.
     
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    Thank you.
    As you go through your day, you can remind yourself
    several times that you made a bright cheerful up-lifting
    contribution to the life of a fellow human being.

    JAG
     
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    I did the best I could for you.

    JAG
     
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    What you have described is a physical-like reality that does not have the limitations of the present reality, the main limitation being the restricted availability of energy that guarantees competition for resources. Supposedly, that limitation is absent in the next higher reality, but along with it much diversity also disappears due to simplification. Earth-like ambience does not exist there except when generated locally by the intentional interest of individuals via mental constructs. That is why the physical realm is so attractive: the extent of intense interactive experience and drama is not available in nonphysical existence.

    The pipe-dream ideal existence in eternity has one main source: the Bible. That's the real problem.
     
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    How do you know all that?
     
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    The findings of OOBE travelers Robert Monroe and Tom Campbell.

    Some of these ideas are reinforced by Rudolph Steiner.
     
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    So, what you are saying is that a Perfect being couldn't create other perfect, if lesser beings, already worth of its Perfect City? So it has to consign to eternal pain and torture it's failures?
     
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    I have NEVER heard of any of them.
    Never read a single word of their stuff.
    My inspiration for all that I wrote in the OP was Bible Reading
    and Christian Philosophy and Postmillennialist Christian Philosophy
    which has a bright cheerful optimistic view of the the future of
    Christendom and the future of God's Human Race Project.

    JAG
     
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    Perfect Being is an assumption. Creators aren't born perfect. They get to the top by learning and growth. Even so, a creator is probably not the ultimate source, just a highly refined manager/director.

    It's likely that our existence is a virtual reality. Everything is programmed to work on probabilities and logic, right down to the subjective mix of quarks and photons. Like the autonomous chick in the egg, the process makes a chicken from scratch.
     
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    And you might as well have never heard of Lord Pacal, Viracocha, Quetzalcoatl, The Popul Val, Mayans, Buddha, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Mithraism, The tomb of Tutankumon, and Egyptians.
     
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    So, God is a government, and, like all government, claims a monopoly on justice and force. Well, I'm as anti-state as I am atheist.

    Who programmed the programmers?[/quote][/QUOTE]
     
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    Where is ‘up there’?
    So man (not women, not those counting among the LGQT.... or the other genders?) was made in the image of God?
    So, you have restated the premise of an equation that basically states Man is a clone of God, having all the equivalent attributes you have listed, or in other words, God = man. Always found it interesting that in nearly every religion that God or the Gods seen to possess all the attributes of human kind, including all the emotions and characteristics (including, jealousy, anger, vindictiveness, etc.) that drive the motives and for the violence, destruction, rape, and other ‘sins’ committed and rationalized by the special ‘godly’ status that excuses those ‘sins’ as acceptable under the ‘God’s secret Plan’ morality exclusion right. If a = b, the logic suggests b = a, so what doesn’t that that mean to the premise that God made Man in his own image? Considering all the attributes exhibited to Man are also exhibited by God, is it not likely Man attributes God with human-like qualities to explain God’s motives as causual? Or in other words, God is a product of man’s imagination, and further, bestowed with super qualities man would like to possess? If among the attributes God bestowed on man is ambition, what does that say about Man’s curiosity that drives exploring the nature of what God has created and learning the knowledge of God?
    I love the list of what is awaiting in heaven... seems to be a list of things everyone would like to experience... and could if they are rich enough to enjoy it.
    BTW, presumably an eternity passed before birth, but because there is no observational experience of it, a moment of eternity is basically the same as all of it. Will that not be the same as the observational experience after death, after consciousness ceases?
     
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    No, the Big Kahuna, if there is one, or whatever the actual Source, is not a form of government. Those who claim insight say that the head of each domain does not have a bloated staff like we do.
    Intelligence arises from necessity, i.e. whatever works favorably, or to advantage. Examples: Multicellular can do things beyond what solo populations can accomplish. The deer that consistently avoid collisions with automobiles are smarter than the ones given to instinctive impulse and reliance on evasive speed.
     
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    Thank you for your comments.

    "Up there " referred to the information up-post, ie the information in the post.

    I am glad you loved my list of what is waiting in Heaven.

    Genesis' man made in the image of God has nothing to say about
    so-called "genders." -- which numbers are approaching insanity.
    No. Have already entered the Land Of Insanity.

    Man is not a clone of God. The word clone puts God's "image" in a bad light.
    Genesis says that God made man in His image.
    It does not say that God made man a clone of Himself.
    How you ever noticed how people who do not like what you say,
    will re-state what you say in "their words" in order to make what
    you said appear silly or wrong? You did that with your word "clone."


    You may have done it again with this if it was a rhetorical question.
    "Or in other words, God is a product of man’s imagination , , ,?" ___An Taibhse
    I did not say that.
    You said that.
    You did not like what I said,
    So you re-stated what I said in your own words to make what I said into
    something I never intended to say.
    "Or in other words, God is a product of man’s imagination, , ,?___An Taibhse
    If your question was NOT rhetorical then I retract what I said.

    ______

    The Bible is clear that consciousness does not cease after death.
    Secularism does not have the tools to demonstrate that consciousness ceases
    after death. If Secularism claims to know that it does, that claim is a Faith-based
    claim.

    "a moment of eternity is basically the same as all of it"___An Taibhse
    That is a Faith-based statement.
    Only God knows if that is true or false.

    My post does not say that God=man.
    Because man is like God in some areas does not mean that God=man.
    Man is like God in many areas, but man is NOT God, not ever.
    God is Creative --- man is Creative.
    God can Love --- man can Love.
    God can Cry ("Jesus wept") --- man can Cry.
    God can experience Joy --- man can experience Joy
    God can have Patience --- man can have Patience. T
    God can express Kindness --- man can express Kindness.
    Because man is like God in the areas of eg. love and kindness etc
    does not mean God=man.
    ____________

    Thank you again for your comments.
    You put some thought into your post.
    You made some interesting points.

    Best.

    JAG
     
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    I really don't see ANY logic in making up good things that humans might like heaven to approximate.
     
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    My idea of a real hell is living in a city.
     
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    What do you think your "logic" will do for you when your
    certain-coming desperate "hour of need" comes upon you?
    How do you know that I made up what I wrote?
    But even if I did make it up -- it was at least bright, cheerful,
    and optimistic --- which is more than we can say for what
    you post. I encourage you to get a more cheerful optimistic
    religion -- atheism is a depressing religion that offers no
    hope for the future. Remember on atheism you end up
    ultimately in ceasing-to-exist oblivion, like a Bug and
    a Housefly.

    Best.

    JAG

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    Maybe you'll prefer hell?
     
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    Like the one that says there is no God?
     
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    I hear that.
    However the OP did offer you the bolded red:

    JAG Wrote:
    "If you want to know what Eternity will be like, just picture
    in your mind The Big Apple {New York City} without any
    Sin and without any of the effects of Sin. This means that
    you are picturing New York City with no crime, no smog,
    no traffic congestion, no sickness, no death, no pain, no
    jails, no prisons, and nothing else that would be unpleasant
    to humans or unwanted by humans , , ,

    , , , nothing but interest-grabbing excitement and creativity
    all the time , , ,

    , , , and many huge lush green "central parks" for families to
    enjoy in total peace and safety , , ,


    {and} , , ,


    Oceans
    Warm sandy beaches
    Rivers
    Lakes
    Ponds
    Mountains
    Valleys
    Beautiful trees
    Beautiful scenery"___JAG


    You could "get away" from the city and go live in the countryside
    and still have access to the cities.

    Best.

    JAG
     

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